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Originally Posted by Samonadreau
$500M should get you a Competitive team. Also they weren't handed it they made some shrewd picks and deals that got them to that next level.
Better get used to it because I have a feeling Seattle is going to be pretty good in a hurry, maybe not right out of the gate but soon enough.
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This is the other thing, remember what markets we're talking about. They're not going to sit on their hands for a decade like prior expansion era teams and they've paid for the privilege to not have to.
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Originally Posted by Jacks
People have this ridiculous idea that Vegas was handed a playoff team when in reality it was idiot GM's who gave them top 6 players and high draft picks to not select botton 6 players, it was bizarre. Florida gave them 2/3 of a top line for nothing, just ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with the expansion rules.
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Well, not entirely, there were shrewd moves made, but again the rules were altered to allow these advantages.
Good coaching and efficient management made a big difference as well because they saw those opportunities and exploited the hell out of them.
But if Seattle were to go out and hire Kevin Lowe and Dallas Eakins they could be just as good as the Oilers were a few years ago.
Which is to say....pretty damned bad. Awful actually. Entirely No Good.
So I think it doesnt give Vegas enough credit. They got some breaks and we're dealt a really good hand and betted big on it.
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
For 17 years we were in the same division as the Avs and we hate the brand spanking new baby Knights more? FOH. Knights in 5 and the Avs can go cry on Altitude with Vic Lombardi.
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Originally Posted by troutman
Aeneas and I are debating this - for sure, LV made some shrewd trades and picks and other GMs made big mistakes, but I would argue they had some significant advantages - they had no expansion partner to compete with for picks and trades (ex. Minny and Columbus entered at the same time). They were the first expansion team to enter when the other teams had to manage a salary cap (which could explain "bad" trades some GMs made). LV is an attractive destination for free agents.
The rules will be the same for Seattle (BTW, Vegas is exempt from getting picked by Seattle).
Of course people are jealous - they are a contender right out of the box, while long-standing franchises have struggled for decades. It is fair to wonder if the expansion rules are too generous (Seattle has #3 seed in draft lottery). Sure, they pay a large fee for entry ($500 M)- but Forbes valued the Knights at $570 M in December.
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
That’s fine everyone has their reasons. I can remember the Avs making the Flames bite the curb and stomping on the back of their heads very recently, can’t say the same about the Knights.
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You sir...look here...some of us have worked long and hard to eliminate those memories and here you go just all willy-nilly throwing them back in our faces.
I can acknowledge that the Avalanche are an excellent hockey team...and yet hate them with a passion none-the-less!