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Originally Posted by howard_the_duck
Numbers for sure and tendency to shoot first. But Carter was a great skater that drove possession. At his best, a much better player than Monahan IMO.
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He's a better skater but I'm not sure he was really a great possession driver either.
Looking at the last three seasons in Philly prior to the trades to Columbus and then LA here are Carter's Possession Numbers.
Corsi For%: 49.9%
xGF%: 51.6%
GF%: 57.3%
On Ice Shooting: 9.05%
On Ice Save: .930
And here are Monahan's stats the last three seasons prior to this one:
Corsi For%: 52.8%
xGF%: 51.3%
GF%: 51.6%
On Ice Shooting: 9.24%
On Ice Save: .909
Overall the biggest difference is Carter is a better skater. But in terms of individual stats, advanced metrics, etc they are very similar.
I guess the argument is maybe Carter was the driver in Philly vs Gaudreau being the driver here but honestly that's tough to break apart.
Looking back for the Flyers and for Carter it was:
08-09: Lupul-Carter-Hartnell
09-10: Briere - Carter - Hartnell
10-11: ???? - Carter - Giroux
So not like Carter didn't have some decent linemates too. Briere was great at times in Philly, and they also had Richards, Gagne, Hartnell, Giroux, Pronger etc.
So Carter wasn't dragging a team around by himself either.
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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
That’s how I’ve seen it for years. His stats look great, but when you watch him, he’s barely noticeable which is fine for a #6 defensemen, but not ok for #1 center.
I personally would’ve welcomed the Josh Anderson for Monahan trade that was speculated in the offseason. He’s been a nice fit for Montreal and the elements he brings is something this team could use. Alas, Bergevin preferred the Max Domi deal better, so it is what it is.
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Trading Monahan 1 for 1 for Josh Anderson would have been a bad trade. Like Phaneuf trade bad.
If you add up Josh Anderson's last three seasons he has 67 points in 134 games. He's also not that great defensively according to most advanced stats. That's pretty much Monahan's normal point production over 82 games, let along over 2.5 seasons worth of games.
Even this year Monahan has 20 points in 28 games (11 at 5v5) and we are ready to run him out of town, Anderson has 16 in 26 (13 at 5v5) yet it's a great season.
Plus Anderson is terribly inconsistent when it comes to offensive production, he was in Columbus and is in Montreal now. After a hot start he has 2 goals, and 5 points in his last 13 games. If we traded Monahan for him we'd be running him out of town right now and saying that his 7 year $5.5M per season contract was an albatross.