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Originally Posted by Sliver
lol, I barely know how to begin with you. Your whole post was just nonsense and misunderstanding. And why are you so angry? I'm the one who should be mad at you...your book and your beliefs claim I'm going to burn in hell for eternity because I don't believe what you believe. That's such a horrible and violent claim you have against me and my family - and with no evidence. Honestly, I think you're a lunatic if you believe that.
I did paint every religious person with a broad brush, though, but it's completely fair. I mean, religious people are proud to have faith. They have faith that their beliefs are true despite a complete lack of evidence. They are proud of their shunning of facts and logic in favour of - quite frankly - a bunch of obvious malarkey and contradiction.
As for are they good people? Yes, of course religious people are every bit as good as areligious people. They have just been subjected to a barrage of manipulation and indoctrination from birth. It seems as though religion carves out pathways or something in the brain to hardwire beliefs that are utterly preposterous when presented to educated adults. With few exceptions, you need to steep somebody in religion from a young age to get it to take.
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Your analogy makes zero sense, has no basis, and is complete nonsense. If you don't believe in religion then why would you be upset if "my book" says you are going to hell? According to you it's a piece of fiction so it doesn't matter what it says as it's just a story. No one is threatening your family as long as you believe the story is fake. Now, if you are truly feeling threatened then you have opened up a whole other can of worms and you may need to have a deep conversation with yourself. So what is it? Is it fiction or not? If your answer is fiction (which I know it will be), than your introductory analogy is stupid.
Your second statement claiming that it is fair to paint every religious person with the same brush just proves how closed minded you truly are. It's an ignorant comment to make and shows how one sided you are. You are making a broad statement that all religious people are uneducated and only rely on faith. That is so far from the truth. I teach in the Catholic school board and I can tell you the curriculum is the same as CBE. Contrary to what you believe, yes we do in fact teach science and math! I don't know of anyone who shuns facts or logic. I teach my students to think critically and question things every single day. Religion is not immune to questioning. You can question and still have faith. I would love for you to attend a Gr. 9 Religion class and partake in our discussions. Some very enlightening and open minded stuff going on.
As for evidence, go ahead and prove that God doesn't exist. I'll wait. Just like I can't prove there is a God you can't prove there isn't. That's where individual belief comes into play. I think you are a lunatic if you believe that everything in our universe has happened by random chance and are not open to the possibility of a higher power or force. News flash....you can believe in science and a higher power at the same time. They are more intricately linked than you give credit for.
Science and religion can and does coexist. There are many scientists current and past who are religious or believe in a higher power. A close family friend who has a PhD in astrophysics and was a professor at UBC (he is not religious nor affiliated with any religious organization) told us once that it would be foolish of any true scientist to completely discredit the possibility of a God. There are some things science simply can't explain.
Your final claim that religious people have been brainwashed and that "educated adults" would balk at the mere mention of a higher power once again shows how little you know. I'm an adult, have 2 university degrees, enjoy science, and teach math for a living. I'm also Catholic and believe in a God. I don't consider myself stupid or uneducated. Your sweeping generalizations don't help your cause.
Religious organizations aren't perfect. People aren't perfect. There is lots of room for improvement that I can't deny. The pedophile priests are a disgrace and it needs to be cleaned up. I hope that they do. The new Pope is moving things in the right direction, it will still take some time. I'm just sick of the loud "atheist" group claiming they are "right" or better than everyone else. You hate the vocal believers for "pushing" their beliefs, well, looks like you are doing the same thing.