[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Then we don’t deal with Philly and I looked at other teams like New Jersey and Buffalo as better trade partners because they have assets, needs and cap space to make the deal work. You make it sound like we have to trade him to Philly and therefore have to eat a bad contract. Simply not the case and the money in money out issue is why these deals don’t happen during the season. When the Flames traded for Dougie they sent zero cap to the Bruins and immediately picked up a player they paid $5.75M for.

We have to trade Gaudreau to a team that will take him and absorb the cost. YOU are making assumptions that Buffalo or New Jersey is going to increase their budget to bring Gaudreau in. Nothing indicates that either team is willing to increase their budget and spend more money to bring other players in. We've seen both teams make moves to dump big ticket players or make moves that are cost neutral. Neither looks to be willing to accept contract that will increase budget.

When the Flames traded for Hamilton they were in a position to accept the contract because Calgary was a healthy market and had the money to do so. Our situation is very different from the small market teams out there, although we may be headed back to those cost controlled days in the near future as the Calgary economy continues to struggle. Cap space is only valuable if you have the ability to use it.

I don’t know why you are so concerned about the 7th pick in the draft? It could bust or could be a top line player. I think chances are better they can find a future core piece.

Because Sam Bennett. Because rarely does a player develop into what you think they will be. Anyone going to the draft table and thinking they are drafting a player that is going to replace your franchise player is delusional. There is a very long road from being drafted to playing in the NHL. What you do after your draft determines what type of player you are going to be.

I don’t see a protection slot available for Myers without losing Gio. You are fine losing Gio for nothing which I don’t think the organization would agree.

Then they are fools. If you are willing to protect a 38 year old player over a young promising player that could be with you for the next decade, you shouldn't be running a franchise. There are hard decisions you have to make and sentimentality cannot come into play. Sentimentality is what ####ed us with Jarome Iginla. Read the writing on the wall and prepare for it. If you don't the world will pass you by.

I do find it insane that there are people against acquiring a player because he's 30, yet these same people will defend spending a protection slot on a 38 year old. The inconsistency is crazy.

I just don’t know what you see in Frost. He is Dillion Dube to me which is a good young player but you have him centering our second line next year. Not a ppg in AHL, 7pts in 20 games in the NHL and drafted 3 years ago. I take my chances with the 7th pick over this guy every day.

I suggest you do a little more research instead of using flawed measures like PPG in the AHL. Frost's AHL team was not a strong team and didn't score a lot. To put it in terms you can understand, Frost was 2nd on his team in scoring, racking up 29 points in 41 games (.707 PPG). The leading scorer on that team hit 30 points in 57 games (.526 PPG). See difference? That is a massive leap beyond the closest player on the team. His seven points in 20 games at the NHL level is pretty impressive when you consider who he is playing behind. Context matters when reviewing things.

No and no. Voracek means the team can’t sign Hall and having Voracek, Lucic, Backlund all on huge money deals hurts the teams ability to add to this group. It takes away the free asset in Taylor Hall who is the main reason I fee this team can move on from Johnny in the first place.

I agree with this. The Flames need to get the most bang for their buck in their budget. $5.25M for a 4th liner is criminal. That move prevents the team from making the moves necessary to compete. That contract basically gives the Flames $8M in dead cap space. That pays for that top line player. Treliving has done some good things, but his bad things have greatly handicapped this team. He needs to show what kind of manager he is and resolve that problem so we can bring in the talent we need. I think he can do it. There are moves available to cover the addition of two more top six players. He just has to get it done.