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Originally Posted by GGG
I think the distilling down the pro-birth to want to control women’s bodies does a disservice to any discussion of abortion. It’s what immediately invites the 40 week abortion response. Because if you as a pro-choice person are saying this is only about body autonomy and anti abortion laws are only about control and oppression then you would of course need to be fine with c-sections to abort babies (even if I’m the real world this never happens). And then the argument goes down a rabbit hole of extremes because neither side is actual long discussing what good policy would look like.
The debate around abortion is a debate between body autonomy and when does something become alive enough to protect legally or ethically.
In the absence of people willing to have real discussion without an agenda based on a difficult topic Canada’s law of trust women seems to be pretty good. Just need to combine it with free birth control, better access to abortions and sex Ed.
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I'll give the same response as I had given in the last thread:
If you put a gun to my head to place a legal limit on abortion from a moralistic standpoint, the threshold should be 23/24 weeks, which is the approximate period where a fetus' chances of surviving a pre-term birth exceeds 50%.
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Originally Posted by edslunch
It’s not an issue of survivability it’s whether the fetus has ‘life’ beyond chemical reactions - e.g. a ‘God-given’ soul. The irony is the human life seems to have low value in a lot of other circumstances like war or even just supporting people who do have children in difficult situations.
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Do the non-religious believe in souls?