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Originally Posted by DropIt

I think one vote away from kill? This is too bad as I'll be flipping town, and again we will be losing 2 in one night.

I will agree with MrK here as it will obviously save me, but to think the Mafia set up someone like me from the end of day 1 to kill off one of my own, rather then to kill off a townie, is quite the reach.

Just think for a second of the 2 outcomes: either I kill off a flames fan( Agulati/scorn) and can easily play the "I have nothing to base this on, sucks that we banned a Flames fan" at the end of day 1 and keep our numbers.
Instead its being suggested that I, instead killed off my own guy, ruining our numbers, and then (poorly) tried to take heat of GGG when he was in the midst of a self-spiral so the whole game could come down to me trying to beat an entire game of Flames fans? That's a huge stretch to say the Mafia would voluntarily kill off their own day 1 to try and set the table for days 3 and on.

As I said earlier, MrK needs to be listened to more, and not just because he is echoing my theory on HG, but because it just flat makes more sense that the Mafia began to panic when Bonded was nearing kill, so they set out GGG to take the heat off him (because 3G wasnt the proxy), when that didnt work they had to adjust as it was going to become easy to see GGG was an Oiler after backing Bonded the way he did and trying desperately to get the vote elsewhere.

So with that, their only choice of action was to sacrifice GGG when Bonded was killed and had to set up their Proxy Oiler to head that up.

This is why HG is suspicious to me, he hits all those markers.
- Didnt vote Bonded, but didnt lobby one way or the other for him.
- once Bonded was killed, went right after GGG, exploiting his Bonded defenses
- headed up, along with diss, the kill for GGG with his overwhelming evidence
- Gained town favour by doing so
- is now slowly picking off players two at a time, and was even quick to vote MRK yesterday, whether he had his days mixed or not, this still ends in 2 Flames kills and the arrow would be pointed even more in my direction for bringing him up and potentially being the one to kill off yet another Flames fan

My question still stands, everyone knew HG15 is a strong player and is successfully lobbying for kills and getting the votes and people to listen, why would Mafia chance keeping him around all game in the case that his sights were to turn to them?

Originally Posted by DropIt

If I do indeed get offed today, I would personally say that we should be looking at HG15, WPG (GGG atrocity) and MRK/Devo. I think the idea that mafia wouldn't dare vote on Bonded is holding up at this point as it looks like, with me, 4/6 of the vote on Bonded will turn Flames fan.

I've got like 3 more hours and will be both trying g to change votes and will answer any suspicions or questions if there are any

Originally Posted by DropIt

So Basically, HG and I are accusing each other of the same thing, yeah? But somehow it is more believable that:

I'd kill off my own guy day 1, leave GGG alone when he was basically on the hot seat and ripe for killing, and then quietly play/investigate the next 2 days and arguably being one of the first to mistakenly get the SebC train rolling.

Instead of, HG not voting off his own guy day 1, then jumping on GGG immediately after the Bonded kill when he was on the hot seat, after getting the GGG kill he then is part of the Crazy vote the next day.

Originally Posted by DropIt

Yeah I think an hour is cutting it a little close, at least given the participation level.

Either way, I hope Devo and HG get a serious look given whomever is night killed. The night kill should be interesting as well and hopefully draws some clues.

Mybe we get lucky and done people show up to change the vote in the next 50 mins

So let's talk about the night banning as well. DropIt is gone, which is a bit odd since he had 3 votes against him at the deadline and was very close to just getting banned by the town. Why ban him in the night phase when he'd likely be a target today?

Here are four posts by him yesterday expressing misgivings about HG. Only DropIt and myself seem to be ones talking about HG as a ban target. What better way to try and secure safety with numbers dwindling than to off one of the two vocal people against you? I think this also points to HG being the Oiler - the night kill doesn't really make sense otherwise? Anyone else have thoughts on that?