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Originally Posted by chemgear
There is a good link in that interview article I linked earlier. Didn't click on it originally.
http://www.vox.com/science-and-healt...bamacare-trump
Why Obamacare enrollees voted for Trump
Kathy Oller is so committed to her job signing up fellow Kentuckians for Obamacare that last Halloween, she dressed up as a cat, set up a booth at a trick-or-treat event, and urged people to get on the rolls. She’s enrolled so many people in the past three years that she long ago lost count.
But Obamacare’s success in Whitley County and across Kentucky hasn’t translated into political support for the law. In fact, 82 percent of Whitley voters supported Donald Trump in the presidential election, even though he promised to repeal it.
Oller voted for Trump too.
“I found with Trump, he says a lot of stuff,” she said. “I just think all politicians promise you everything and then we’ll see. It’s like when you get married — ‘Oh, honey, I won’t do this, oh, honey, I won’t do that.’”
And part of their anger was wrapped up in the idea that other people were getting even better, even cheaper benefits — and those other people did not deserve the help.
There was a persistent belief that Trump would fix these problems and make Obamacare work better. I kept hearing informed voters, who had watched the election closely, say they did hear the promise of repeal but simply felt Trump couldn’t repeal a law that had done so much good for them.
In southeastern Kentucky, that idea didn’t seem to penetrate at all — not to Oller, and not to the people she signed up for coverage.
“We all need it,” Oller told me when I asked about the fact that Trump and congressional Republicans had promised Obamacare repeal. “You can’t get rid of it.” |
And this right here sums up the issue with Americans.
I use this.
I need this.
I deserve this. Screw all those other people, they don't need it. But I need to get mine.
It's the lie that undocumented immigrants are getting free healthcare. They're taking
our healthcare and
our jobs and if we could just get rid of them, we'd all be better off. Despite the fact that none of these things are true. Immigrants aren't getting free healthcare, and immigrants aren't taking any jobs that these people would be willing to take. (I'm sure someone would hire you to pick fruit for $5 a day if you
really wanted to stick it to them illegals and take their job)
Trump said everything explicitly, but his shtick worked because Republicans have been pushing this narrative more subtly for years, so when he just said it openly, people ate it right up, because they've been conditioned to believe it's true.
So now, as usual, they vote against their own best interests, and they blame government as a whole for failing them, when it's their own fault the guy promising to take away their healthcare won. They blame liberals and democrats and the elites and the illegals--but they voted to dismantle the ACA by voting for Trump and by voting in GOP legislators who promise to do the same. I've lost sympathy. The really sad part is while they made their own bed and will be forced to lie in it--millions of people who did not vote for Trump will also lose their insurance.
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Originally Posted by DiracSpike
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those electors are mostly symbolic, who are they to override what the population voted for?
If there was a movement to have electors not vote for Hillary had the election gone a different way people would be crying bloody murder.
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The population did not vote for Trump. At the last count I saw, Hillary was winning the popular vote by over 2.6 million (a couple hundred K less than the entire population of Utah).
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Originally Posted by DiracSpike
So if Bernie runs and wins in 2020 you'd be fine with people making the argument that he's a populist candidate that needs to be thwarted? According to who's definition?
I'll admit that Trump has pushed the boundary on what constitutes a proper candidate but he won according to the same rules that every other President won with.
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Bernie doesn't have shady connections to Vladimir Putin. Bernie doesn't have businesses all over the globe that would create conflicts of interest in his governance. Bernie wouldn't be attempting to get security clearance for his kids, or having his daughter meet with world leaders. Bernie wouldn't be calling heads of other countries without any guidance from the state department, etc, etc. It's not that Trump's a
populist, it's that he's flat out dangerous and corrupt through and through, and there's a damn scary connection to a foreign enemy to boot, and that is why he should be thwarted.