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Old 10-16-2006, 09:42 PM   #103
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Originally Posted by Cheese View Post
well well well...CalgaryBornAgain chimes in with his usual flatulence.
What took you so long?
You obviously cant understand what is written because as I and others have mentioned on NUMEROUS occasions...
Theism leads to violence...or sorrow if you want it to be. You can look no further than the countless thousands of radical Muslims of today following their leaders blindly into war. So yes...IF man invented religion...to control the masses...then yes that very same religion can be used against the people. Id educate you on little known atrocities like the INQUISITION for example...but it might hurt your mind.
Cheese, heres an interesting read.
http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/.../violence.html
Maybe youll dismiss it to in your neverending attempt to portray "religion as the cause of the great sorrow present everywhere in the world today", but I beleive that the Christianity Jesus intended us to practice is most definitely not the root of all violence. Organized religion in the world today most definitely does have its extremists, but like someone said, we shouldnt throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Heres a quote from the above link that I agree with...
"We need to transcend the divisive rhetoric set forth by radical theists and atheists, those who would condemn the entirety of religion or secularism on the basis of the actions of a few in the past, present, or future. We need to acknowledge the common moral ground that most theists and atheists in fact share today, and band together against our common enemies, the small, extremist, insidious elements that exist on both sides of the fence. We may disagree with one another about what is true, and to some extent about what is good, but most of us can, and need to, stand together against bigotry, intolerance, and violence."

Also a question. Im a Mennonite Anabaptist (not the superconservative ones), a denomination marked with a history of nonviolence. I dont know how much you know about them, but you seem to have rejected all religion based on violence and hypocrisy in the past. It may be that you reject it also because it is impossible to prove 100% that God exists and that Jesus was God....but it is also impossible to prove 100% the other way. However, this thread appears to be debating whether or not violence and religion are inextricably linked so Im not gonna worry about that issue for now, why even use violence being linked to the church as an argument against religion because of the relatively few extremists who corrupt religion with lust for power. What do you think about denominations like Mennonites? Violence as others have demonstrated here is just as easily linked to atheism.

http://www.thirdway.com/Menno/FAQ.asp

Violence is all about power, I dont think it has anything to do with true religion.



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