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Originally Posted by Buster
It's weird that people cite Trump's failures as Trump Steaks, and Trump University.
Meanwhile Hillary has shredded the middle east, and been possibly the worse Secretary of State in modern history. Her "record" isn't exactly a place for her to brag.
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Trump University wasn't just a financial failure--it was also a way to purposely bilk people for tens of thousands of dollars with no consequences. Those same people Trump is now claiming that he is going to support. He has repeatedly used bankruptcy laws to allow himself to skip away from astronomical amounts of debt, leaving thousands of contractors/plumbers/laborers unpaid for services rendered, while walking away financially unscathed. The few things with his name that have succeeded are often things where literally his only role was throwing 4000pt font TRUMP on the side of a building that someone else was managing.
He was born into extreme wealth and privilege, to a point where it's almost more difficult for him to fail than to just maintain status quo.
Hillary did not shred the Middle East on her own. The Middle East was a powder keg long before her taking office as SOS, and it will remain a powder keg long after that. The US handling of the Middle East has always been questionable at best and disastrous at worst. She can certainly be faulted for supporting the war in Iraq, but she's not the only one--Cheney and Bush deserve much of that blame, not to mention their Secretaries of State at the time.
Trump has an awful history and he's made absolutely insane campaign promises. Hillary has a checkered past, but she also has done good things, and can still do more good things to come.
Meanwhile Trump can't even properly figure out which politician is the Democratic VP candidate, let alone parse any kind of foreign policy ideas.
One side is a typical politician with pros and cons, the other is a moderately successful, extremely unethical businessman with a desperate need for attention.
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Originally Posted by Azure
Trump is scary. No question about that.
But he has actually done very little in his life in terms of 'bad things.' Hillary on the other hand is a big part of the reason the US is where it is.
War on drugs, war on terror, war on the lower class, taxing the poor to give to the rich, etc, etc....all policies she has supported.
Sorry, but maybe pre-Bush you could say she would have made a good President, but we know too much now about how policies she supports have wrecked the US. Why would I want her in power?
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He had a massive part in the downfall of Atlantic City, and with his various abuses of the bankruptcy laws in the US left tons of people unpaid for services rendered. He has been repeatedly accused of sexual harassment and assault. He used a fake "university" to scam people out of tens of thousands of dollars each.
Sure he didn't help craft policy to put thousands of people in jail--but that's because he has
absolutely zero political experience outside of maybe greasing the hands of a few judges/senators/etc to get his way.
Hillary may have supported all of those things--but do you really think Trump is going to do anything different? Do you think a supposed billionaire is going to craft legislation that's going to massively raise his tax bill to help others? Do you think he'll support higher wages that cut into his profits? This is a man who complained about black men counting his money, so I'm pretty sure he's not all that concerned about helping out black people.
As far as Hillary being pro-war--this is a man who just last week said he thinks we should ignore our NATO responsibilities. I'm sure that wouldn't start any international conflicts at all, right?
Basically every single argument you have against Hillary applies also to Trump, except that he's never actually crafted or voted for legislation, because again, he has
absolutely zero political experience. All of the complaints just made there about Hillary--not a single one of those policies is something that Trump would dramatically differ from.