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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
What Israel does within its borders is not really the issue, it's it's actions in the Gaza and West Bank, it's continued settlement building on Arab land that is causing us problems.
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I am not sure I agree, to be honest. Israel is building because from their perspective there is no reason not to. They have no one from the Palestinian side to negotiate with. The Palestinians cannot send someone in good faith to negotiate because it means death. Vicious cycle.
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
Is Israel better than most of its neighbours? of course, but they are abysmal brutal dictatorships, it's not hard to be better than that.
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But they go way beyond that, they aim to be like every other western nation.
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
More to the point our absolute support of Israel, like our absolute support of Saudi Arabia, is harmful to us, it makes this issue harder to solve, therefore if Israel wants our support it should come with strings, if Israel wishes to continue to use its overwhelming military superiority to do what ever crappy thing it wants to the Palestinians regardless of the effect that has on the Arab world as a whole, that's fine but we should not be seen as their ally, ditto Saudi, you want our planes our money our support then all that backing of the salafists ends immediately.
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We certainly do not have absolute support of Israel, and the rest of your paragraph is not correct. If Israel wanted, there would be no Palestinians, but they hold back. Not only do they hold back, they sit on their guns while there is the constant threat and attacks from terrorists. How many attacks have to happen before they shoot back? There are still rockets fired from Hamas, still knife attacks, still the rhetoric from Iran, etc.
For you it seems there is two sides, Israel and Palestinians. Israel sees it as multiple sides: Israel, Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc. Palestinians are not the enemy, the enemy does though hide amongst them.
You don't think we should side with the rest of the free world? Israel may be on the front line, but it appears the same problem is across Europe. Should we not support them now because it may anger terrorists?
As I have said over and over again, we need to condemn violence, from both sides. Simply condemning Israel is not in any way helping, especially when it is based on falsehoods.