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					Originally Posted by Resolute 14  I've said it before, but 12 and 14 are already retired.  Doesn't matter what you call the ceremony when a banner is actually raised to the rafters, but nobody will ever wear either number again.
 The complaints about the "Forever a Flame" thing vs. "retirement" is nothing more than arguing semantics.
 
 The only thing that bugs me about all this is that I wish they would convert Lanny and Vernon's banners to match.
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It's more than semantics. If you doubt it check out the goon who was wearing FAF Nieuwendyk's #25 last year.