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					Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee  this is a terrible debate. I don't have much else to add other than I keep hoping this thread moves on from this.
 Somebody bitch about something and preferably not about cars / traffic / etc. but that will do if it's all you got.
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I was knocking the icicles off my eavestrough today with a 2x4 and one slid down the 2x4 and hit my hand.   Effing hurt.  Also some of the icicles have encompassed the Xmas lights and are starting to pull them down - meaning my attempt at not having to put up and take down Xmas lights every season has once again been thwarted by mother nature. 
On the bright side - icicle sword fights!!