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Originally Posted by nfotiu
I don't buy this logic at all. I've seen it repeated by lots of posters in the last couple days, but someone is going to have to convince me that there is any value in this kind of posturing.
The fact is, in my eyes the value of Cammalleri to the Flames right now is zero. Taking anything would be a good transaction for the Flames. I don't see how holding out for more than whatever was offered is worth anything in future trade negotiations. If anything it will make people think we are overvaluing our rentals and won't bother next time.
Maybe as someone running an nhl franchise, they do see some value in having decent nhl players on the ice to play in front of the fans that are still paying $100 a game. Maybe that is worth not taking a 3rd rounder if that was all that was on the table.
I don't buy that holding out in any way helps our negotiating stance in the future. I don't buy that it was in any way worthwhile to hold on to him in case he re-signs. Sign him before the deadline, or give up on it.
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You may not buy any of those things, but nobody is trying to sell you on it. Nobody needs to convince you of what the respectably basic truth is. If you allow yourself to be a pushover, people will treat you like a pushover. It's not being sold to anyone, that's just a fact of life.
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Originally Posted by New Era
So you wouldn't like another Kanzig or Gillies or Gaudreau or Ramage or Arnold in the system, rather than nothing? That mentality is exactly why our system was total garbage before Feaster took over. Sutter gave away too many picks and sat on too many players rather than keep the picks and prospects rolling into the system. An asset is an asset and without them you have nothing to build with.
This whole Burke-respected-hard-negotiator narrative is weak. If this is his mindset Burke is more concerned about his ego than the future of the Calgary Flames. The Flames need assets to make deals and keep the system stocked. Burke elected to give up an asset, a draft pick, for 20 games of Mike Cammalleri. I don't see that as being a shrewd negotiator. I see that as a short sighted decision that hurt the organization.
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Perhaps you should hold off on the definitives before making your judgement. Cammalleri is STILL an asset to us. There are still viable options to us:
- Sign to extension
- Trade negotiating rights (for pick)
- Trade negotiating rights for another player's negotiating rights
Burke did not give up an asset for 20 games of Cammalleri, and the way you use definitives to drive home your humble opinion makes it just as valid for anyone else to say "We WILL sign Cammalleri to an extension and be able to revisit a trade in the future."
I KNOW you don't like Cammy or Burke, but the Flames need somebody to pay. Trust me, you're going to find a lot more Cammalleris and Widemans on the market than you will Hudlers and Giordanos. Stop being so definitive, relax. Some unworthy player is going to get paid by us, at this point it's the devil you know vs the devil you don't.