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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
People with commonalities tend to stick together, especially in regards to religion.
I don't deny that Iran provides support for Hamas/Hezbollah, but they see how the Palestinians are being treated and everyone expects Iran and the rest of the Middle East to turn their back on the Islamic people in Palestine? I have seen enough footage of their living conditions. When the Israelis aren't killing them with guns, it's disease and starvation.
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Hezbollah really has nothing to do with Palestine, they live in Lebanon and attack into Israel, they use Palestine as a cheap excuse and nothing more. And you can't say that Iran is not an aggressive nation when they fund and arm and train and offer refuge to these groups.
and when you talk about the middle east treatment of the Palestinian people, they are as terrible to those people as Israel is. To the middle east nations the only use that Palestine issues is to them is political. They offer next to no help, they display next to none of the Islamic tenant of charity.
You also can't take the simplistic position that Israel is the exclusive cause of the problems in Palestine. The Hamas government has to take just as much of a lions share of the blame. When you have a death cult that encourages martyrdom from their people, doesn't care about their people because they're more powerful dead then alive then there's no middle ground that is ever going to be reached. The Abbas lead area has electricity, water and food, but the area run by Hammas doesn't at times? Why the difference.
Plus and maybe if Hammas didn't destroy things like food producing greenhouses to build bunkers things might work out a little better for them.
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
Hamas and Hezbollah are no real threat to America, and have only stated that they will destroy Israel if they should strike pre-emptively.
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Interesting considering that Hezbollah's charter states
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We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve.
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Hamas Charter contains
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"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
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What makes it sad is that the Hamas charter is built around a false document.
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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
America does not like the fact that Iran is self-sufficient. They have their own nationalized oil industry, control over their own central bank and currency, and they have that long coastline in the Perisan Gulf where most of the worlds oil must travel through. That is the only real threat to America from Iran.
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No America primarily doesn't like the fact that Iran is a state based exporter of terrorism and because of that terrorism represents a real and direct threat to a ally, That terrorist link also had a amount of responsibility for American deaths in Iraq, in American deaths in Afghanistan.
Don't forget that the Iranian backed Hezbollah was responsible for multiple bloody attacks against the United States including the Marine Barracks attack, the Embassy Bombings, the Khobar tower bombings.
Your right about the long coast line, but lets be really honest Mikey, the Iranian Navy and missile sites are only a threat for as long as they don't threaten foreign shipping.