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Originally Posted by flip

Go back and read your responses to me. It has all been condescending and full of snide backhanded comments. Even this post if full of insults.

Try and just contribute without having to tell the other posters they don't know anything. Think you can do that?

LOL

Are you serious? This is what you first posted:

Originally Posted by flip

I hope Iggy and the Flames aren't as big of a whiner as you and some of the other posters.

These two threads have honestly made me lose faith a lot of posters ability to objectively judge anything. Some of you guys sound like Canuck trolls that roll through these parts. No logic or reason, only whining and complaining.

Oh, no! Someone call Transplant99, maybe he can enlighten us on how this is actually a Kevin Lowe conspiracy and how Babcock is being blackmailed by Lowe to make sure Iggy doesn't get good ice time!

Looks to be full of snide, condescending comments to me. I believe that is the pot calling the kettle black.

If you have a great post about how Iggy is a better player I would love to see it. In fact, I'm not sure why you are responding to me at all. Much of your first response just repeated things I said, but you tried to use it to make me wrong.

I've gone over why Iginla should get just as much of an opportunity as Nash, but apparently I am just an Iginla whiner.

See, what I'm trying to do is encourage real discussion, not just people whining and being overly dramatic. How about instead of just focusing on defending a select group of posters who are acting like chicken littles, you actually say something of worth.

I feel that I have. And to be quite honest, I am not sure how one steers the conversation away from whining and being overly dramatic by jumping feet first into such practices.

I've provided a fair amount of commentary on why I think Iggy is on the 4th line and why we shouldn't worry. So far you've....said I don't know anything (several times), insinuated I should work for the Oilers (another backhanded insult), called me a drama queen.

I said that you would fit right in with the Oilers scouting staff because, based on your post, you seem to value highlight reel goals more than actual results. That seems to be in-line with the Oilers drafting strategy as they often draft flashy players who do not achieve much in the way of results. Sorry if you misunderstood.

The only contributions I've seen from you is that you repeated what I said, but turned the context around. I said Iggy is mainly a shooter, you said that too. I said Iggy is better on defence than Nash, you repeated that too. I said Iggy was a pretty good set up man, you repeated that too.

And I used all of that to conclude that Iginla is the better offensive player that brings more to the table offensively.

I said some guys have a wider range of offensive weapons. You said I don't know anything. I didn't say they were BETTER, I said wider range. Iggy needs a set up man, is ok at D and isn't really a dominant puck handler.

I said that there was no logical analysis to defend that statement and I stand behind this. People are so high on Toews and Nash, but look at what they have actually done before you buy into all of the hype these guys are getting. That's all that I am saying. I'm sorry that you seem to be getting so upset about it.

Nash is definitely a dominant puck handler. Richards and Toews probably are better defensively than Iggy and both of them are C, not wingers, so they can take face offs too. I also think they are equal or better passers/set up men than Iginla.

I agree that they are better two-way players, however that's where it ends. I think Iginla is the better passer and with respect to faceoffs, Crosby is currently one of the best faceoff takers in the league, so I really don't see why we would need another centre on his line, unless the fear is that he will always be getting waived out.

Since I know you'll want to twist my words and start posting Pts and awards I'll repeat myself. Some guys on Team Canada who are competing with Iggy for that 1st line spot have a WIDER range of talents. Not better. WIDER RANGE. That means they may not be pure shooters like Iggy but they are proficient at a RANGE of different offensive talents. Babcock may like that.

You can say that they have a "wider range of offensive talents" but that does not make it true. They have not shown such things during their careers. They aren't as strong, or as gritty, they aren't as good set-up men, they aren't better shooters, and they aren't as good at playing the body. So what have they got? Better at faceoffs, sure, but who cares since Crosby is the centre of that line? What else? Better 1-on-1? Okay, yeah, I agree. Anything else? Personally, I don't think so.

Also, let's not forget that this is BY FAR the deepest team in the tourney. With the exception of Crosby being on the 1st line and the SJ line staying together, pretty much EVERYONE else on the team (cept maybe Morrow, he's a gritty/checking kind of guy) could be switched around with good reason.

Sure, but doing so may yield lesser results, as has been seen with Bergeron and Toews playing on the first line in place of Iginla.