[Thor]

Originally Posted by Doctordestiny

Let me tell you the kind of Christian I am. I've commented behind your point.

• Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry - I don't believe homosexuals should be allowed to legally marry. If they want a union ceremony, fine. Just don't marry them. I think it threatens the family. I am tolerant of homsexuals and have some as friends and business associates, by the way.

So in Canada the family is in danger? Being that we have legalized gay marriage. Just curious, do you think Homosexuality is a choice or something that your born with? Since you have friends I'm sure you've got an opinion on that.

Don't forget in the US much of the fights against gay 'rights' isn't about the word union/marriage, its denial of basic partner rights like if your partner dies you have power to act on their wishes for burial wishes, etc.. Also even things such as the right to visit in hospital your partner when in many states a gay partner has no family rights to visit.

Since you probably find comfort in the Bible's statements on homosexuality, do you also view shellfish, and 2 types of cloth being worn at the same time as abominations as well? I mean if you accept the word that homosexuality is an abomination, how about the other things most if not all Christians ignore as abominations while still holding onto this bronze age fear of homosexuality.

• Stem cell research is wrong - I don't know. Don't know enough about it. If it doesn't destroy a life, I'm fine with it.

New research is allowing us to create stem cells without fetal stem cells, so this debate will not last forever. But the typical use of stem cells is from births where the stem cells are collected instead of destroyed. Obviously the contention is those who take stem cells from abortions to use for medical science research.

The natural world exists to serve man - I think it does.

I would as strongly as possible disagree with you, especially because that belief is inherently dangerous to our future existence as a species. We know that we are part of the animal kingdom, DNA shows our close relations to other animals, we are part then of circle of life and any imbalance we create will indirectly start to harm our lives. Its in our best interests to clean up our act and work towards balance with nature otherwise we will perish like 99% of all life on earth has before us.

Don't question the bible/word of God - I don't question the word of God, but don't believe the Bible is entirely to be taken literally.It's insulting when we're called stupid for believing as we do.

Well thats the problem, in all religions not just yours interpretations are done to suit/conform to ideals of the time, and evolves throughout time. Which is the case I pointed out with Gay rights, its conveniently done to point out in the Bible its sinfulness and how we should be against this, yet people ignore the silly and contradictory statements all over the Bible. Pick and choose religiosity I call it, and thats why you either take the whole Bible as truth or you concede its a work of man and therefor is fallible like man is.

I think our beliefs are valid and make total sense. I happen to believe that the theory of all this around us happening randomly makes little sense. There are some very intelligent people (including some of the greatest scientific minds of our time) who are Christians. A book I read by one of those brilliant scientists who was athiest and became Christian through his research is what turned me from a fence-sitter into a believer. It is the most amazing book I've ever read, so I read it twice in succession. I guess my point is that I feel that Christian ideas make sense and it insults when we're discounted as idiots for having those beliefs. We're not idiots; we just happen to disagree with you.

Just curious, what book is that? Anyhow I don't call Christians idiots as a whole, I prefer to attack specific issues, Gay rights is one that really bothers me as well is the attack on science, especially the fight to teach in public schools, creationism.

The more I've studied science the more the 'randomness' makes perfect sense, you can learn about the universe being created from nothing, marvel at the biodiversity brought about by evolution and be in awe of nature when you truly spend the time to learn biology, astronomy, physics and chemistry.

And yes I realize that there are also some great scientific minds who are not believers. Please don't bring that up as a rebuttal to my point.

But you make the point that there are believers who are scientists, why does that not allow others to make the counter point? But really there are lots of Christians/Catholics that fully accept evolution, there is plenty of Scientists that are more akin to being Deists. I mean really thats all nice and good but its not that important, the arguments and ideas are what counts.

I find it hard to accept a belief in god because of my understanding of the natural world, my nagging thought about that there have been 1000's of gods no one believes today, there are 100's of sects of all major religions and that is what makes it quite clear to me that the idea of God is a human creation, not the other way around.