[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You seem to feel very passionately about this for some reason.

Not really, I am as surprised as you are that I posted so often in this thread I don't have an agenda here, US domestic policies don't affect me.

Originally Posted by Daradon

But surely you know there is no way your idea will work. It's not going to fix anything, it's only going to breed an new generation of kids who will make bad choices. And then you'll have even more births to unprepared parents. It's a cycle that will continue.

Well, the cycle continues if my idea doesn't work, and I don't think it has been proven it cannot work. Financial incentives are very powerful and very clear to see.

I've read (non-english source, so no link) that countries battling illiteracy in their population (or a part of their population) started taking away child support from parents who allowed their kids to bag school. School attendance skyrocketed immediately.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Plus, then the kids are suffering for the parents bad choices, do you want that?

Yes people get social assistance by making bad decisions. Yes some people even abuse it. And yes I think people should be more responsible sexually. But taking away help and support because of some bad apples doesn't help anything. It's just going to cause bigger problems.

Well then I guess we disagree. I believe no one is entlitled to be supported anyway. Financial support is a priviledge, not a right. (cue in the entitled generation thread)

And let's not make it sound like this will cause child poverty of epic proportions in the US (western world). Parents in underdeveloped countries work for endless hours and yet their families enjoy standards of living well bellow American (Canadian, British, ...) knocked up prom queen.

Originally Posted by Daradon

If you think making strict rules automatically fixes things you're about as naive as the people on the opposite end of the spectrum who think you can create a utopia if everyone just shared and did the right thing.

There's always going to be people who screw up. Sometimes by honest mistake and sometimes out of their own idiocy or selfishness. The way you keep the problems to a minimum is by educating, and making sure it doesn't become a cycle where you can.

I don't know if it automatically fixes things, but I think it does offer incentive to fix the problem by taking away a priviledge (not a right), rather than another endless "do this don't do this" talk to bored teens in a classroom. Do what you want, but you're on your own with the consequences of your actions.