Burning the Koran

[Calgaryborn]

I'm suprised no one has addressed this news yet. Apparently some Christian Pastor in Florida is having a good old fashion book burning on Sept 11 with the Koran as the main course. There has already been Muslim protests in Indonesia over the plan. More is expected. The US military has expessed concern that this will be beneficial to their enemies. The City in Florida has refused to grant the church a fire permit but, the Pastor is going ahead with it anyways.

I find this situation to be very simular to the ground zero mosque one. Both actions are offensive to most people and both actions are protected by the constitution. In this case the local government refused to issue a permit in hopes presumably to stop it. In the mosque's case the permits were fast tracked.

What I haven't heard is the left leaning folks that rallied around the mosque doing the same for this little church. No one seems outraged that the permit was withheld. No one is scolding the military for publically expressing opposition to this event.

On a historical note: Christians have been holding book burnings since before there was Islam.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...koran-burning/

[bcb]

Why would anyone rally around this church? Any self-respecting Christian or Westerner knows the hypocrisy of book burning, and that such censorship belongs in Saudi Arabia, not America.
This pastor gives Christianity a bad name.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by bcb

Why would anyone rally around this church? Any self-respecting Christian or Westerner knows the hypocrisy of book burning, and that such censorship belongs in Saudi Arabia, not America.
This pastor gives Christianity a bad name.

He does have the right though, although without the fire permit I hope he gets fined.

I don't think its on the same level though as the mosque building.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I'm suprised no one has addressed this news yet. Apparently some Christian Pastor in Florida is having a good old fashion book burning on Sept 11 with the Koran as the main course. There has already been Muslim protests in Indonesia over the plan. More is expected. The US military has expessed concern that this will be beneficial to their enemies. The City in Florida has refused to grant the church a fire permit but, the Pastor is going ahead with it anyways.

I find this situation to be very simular to the ground zero mosque one. Both actions are offensive to most people and both actions are protected by the constitution. In this case the local government refused to issue a permit in hopes presumably to stop it. In the mosque's case the permits were fast tracked.

What I haven't heard is the left leaning folks that rallied around the mosque doing the same for this little church. No one seems outraged that the permit was withheld. No one is scolding the military for publically expressing opposition to this event.

On a historical note: Christians have been holding book burnings since before there was Islam.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...koran-burning/

Wow, what a waste of time.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The City in Florida has refused to grant the church a fire permit but, the Pastor is going ahead with it anyways.

As far as I know, you can't just ask for a fire permit anywhere, there are certain conditions that have to be met.

Instead of posting about how this is a slant against their rights to burn books, have you even looked at the possibility that having a book burning party might be... uh... a fire hazard?

[Kjesse]

If they want to send a message about 9/11 and insist on burning something, they should burn pictures of the terrorists who were in the planes, or the Al-Queda leadership. The fine for burning something without a permit will be an easy one to handle.

Let the church burn the Korans, fine them their burning fee for not having a permit. The church represents the bigots, the city the bureaucracy. Both are alive and strong in the USA.

[FireFly]

Wasn't this the point of the Christians are dumb thread? I don't mean to call a fata, but I'm sure this is the same topic; I'm just too lazy to actually look.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I'm suprised no one has addressed this news yet. Apparently some Christian Pastor in Florida is having a good old fashion book burning on Sept 11 with the Koran as the main course. There has already been Muslim protests in Indonesia over the plan. More is expected. The US military has expessed concern that this will be beneficial to their enemies. The City in Florida has refused to grant the church a fire permit but, the Pastor is going ahead with it anyways.

I find this situation to be very simular to the ground zero mosque one. Both actions are offensive to most people and both actions are protected by the constitution. In this case the local government refused to issue a permit in hopes presumably to stop it. In the mosque's case the permits were fast tracked.

What I haven't heard is the left leaning folks that rallied around the mosque doing the same for this little church. No one seems outraged that the permit was withheld. No one is scolding the military for publically expressing opposition to this event.

On a historical note: Christians have been holding book burnings since before there was Islam.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...koran-burning/

Good to see some evangelicals engaging in a good old Nazi book burning. Definitely doing Christ's work.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

As far as I know, you can't just ask for a fire permit anywhere, there are certain conditions that have to be met.

Instead of posting about how this is a slant against their rights to burn books, have you even looked at the possibility that having a book burning party might be... uh... a fire hazard?

CalgaryBorn doesn't live in a world of facts when it comes to things like laws. This was evidenced in the mosque thread when he repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of an ability to grasp the laws of zoning in relation to the Constitution. Don't worry though, it won't stop him from acting like he understands the law.

And for the record, if they follow the proper procedures for obtaining the permit it should be granted regardless of what they intend to burn. No different than the process for granting approvals for the mosque.

[photon]

I don't see how the situations are similar. The pastor is burning a book which represents the entire religion of Islam. Building a mosque and Islamic center in downtown NYC only offends those who ignorantly paint everyone with the same brush or those who accept freedom of religion as long as it's their religion.

Even though this "pastor" is Christian I don't characterise all Christians as book burning intolerant fools.

EDIT: If they were building the mosque out of ground up Bibles then there'd be a parallel.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

As far as I know, you can't just ask for a fire permit anywhere, there are certain conditions that have to be met.

Instead of posting about how this is a slant against their rights to burn books, have you even looked at the possibility that having a book burning party might be... uh... a fire hazard?

That could be the reason for refusing the permit but, I doubt it. It would be more believable if the city just came back with conditions(such as a water truck) attached to the permit.

Besides withholding the permit interfers with this churches right to freely practice their religion.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Besides withholding the permit interfers with this churches right to freely practice their religion.

It depends on the official reason. Open fires within city limits aren't necessarily a good thing.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

If people want to announce their intolerance to the world through inflammatory speech or action (which does not imminently incite lawless action), then they're free to do so and protected by the first amendment to the US constitution.

I believe this was resolved in Brandenburg vs Ohio many moons ago.

Nothing to see here... move along...

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Good to see some evangelicals engaging in a good old Nazi book burning. Definitely doing Christ's work.

The Nazi's burnt other peoples books they took away by force. This church is burning books they presumably purchased.

[Da_Chief]

This is dumb and will only create more chaos in the world. Idiot. Wouldn't be surprised if sum nut goes after this guy if this is done.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

That could be the reason for refusing the permit but, I doubt it. It would be more believable if the city just came back with conditions(such as a water truck) attached to the permit.

Besides withholding the permit interfers with this churches right to freely practice their religion.

That's a load.

Withholding the permit only interferes with their right to start fires wherever they want in Gainesville. No matter what the conditions or reason, I highly doubt you can start a giant fire in a church parking lot (because they certainly aren't going to do it in the field beside the grass field beside the church).

It doesn't matter if you have 50 water trucks. I hope the next person who responds is a fire fighter to verify, so we can move on from this ridiculousness.

No one is infringing on his right to burn the Koran. He can do so freely at his place. Heck, invite the whole church over to his house after hours and do it in the fire place.

It wouldn't matter unless he actually wanted to make a public spectacle of himself - which he is doing a pretty good job of.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The Nazi's burnt other peoples books they took away by force. This church is burning books they presumably purchased.

“Where books are burned in the end people will burn.”

Theres no justification for acts of complete intolerance. All they do is fan the flames of hate and put good people in the military overseas in harms way. Uneducated people in muslim countries will be whipped into a frenzy over some bigots right to free speech.

[CaramonLS]

Yeah, I can't see anything like this becoming a fire hazard:



Looks perfectly safe to me.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Besides withholding the permit interfers with this churches right to freely practice their religion.

This is an interesting comment. I haven't read every article about this book burning, I was just under the assumption this wasn't exactly a regular occurance at this church. Perhaps if it was something that had been done on a fairly consistent basis I could understand your point a bit better..........but if this is the first time they've planned a Koran book burning I'm not sure exactly how this would stop them from practicing their religion.

They're looking for reaction, and perhaps confrontation. They'll probably get both.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

That could be the reason for refusing the permit but, I doubt it.

"It doesn't line up with my conclusion so I doubt it."?

Read the legislation for yourself:

http://gainesville.legistar.com/Legislation.aspx

EDIT: It's only restricting their freedom of religion if the law is being applied unevenly.