Girls win right to play on boys' teams

[Jetsfan]

As of last week, girls now have carte blanche to play on boys' teams if they can make it. Even when a girls' team is available.

No, Gellatly says, if a girl takes a boys' spot on a team, a boy can't try out for a girls' squad in return.

If he requests the chance and is denied, he'd almost certainly be wasting his time launching a human rights case of his own.

If talented girls are arguing that to get real competition they have to play with the boys, what they're really saying is the female game is weak and not worth playing.

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/759713

[CrusaderPi]

Hay look! Another Jetsfan thread! I wonder wonder wonder what it could be about.

[Traditional_Ale]

I'd love to nail a chick deep in her own zone...

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I'd love to nail a chick deep in her own zone...

a little yardage in her backfield, perhaps?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

a little yardage in her backfield, perhaps?

Nah, the hole closed before I could penetrate.

[Pinner]

Don't you belive in equal rights jets?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Pinner

Don't you belive in equal rights jets?

Equal would be everyone playing in the same league, "different but equal" would have seperate but equal leagues for men and women. Having women able to play in men's and women's leagues but barring men from women's leagues discriminates against men.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Misogyny thy name is Jetsfan.

[Pinner]

Just stirrin the pot

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by SebC

Equal would be everyone playing in the same league, "different but equal" would have seperate but equal leagues for men and women. Having women able to play in men's and women's leagues but barring men from women's leagues discriminates against men.

That is bullcrap.

Let's say a 13 year old female hockey player believes that she has what it takes to make the NHL. As is commonplace for hockey, the girls team in the area is very weak compared to the boys team. She would not be able to develop her skills to the point where she could compete at the highest levels of her game. I would not call a system where a poor male player has a better chance of developing than a great female player a fair and equitable system.

If we really want equality on all sides, areas should have a girls house league, a boys house league and a UNISEX competitive league. It's not right to exclude people from playing in the best leagues based on gender than it was to exclude black baseball players before Jackie Robinson. If you are good enough to play on the best team, then you are good enough to play on the best team. Period. End of story.

BTW - that door does swing both ways.... if the girl's softball team just happens to be better than the boy's team, then in THAT case, I think a boy, should he so wish to do so, should be able to compete for THAT team. But I think that would rarely be the case.

[flamestalker]

Originally Posted by SebC

Equal would be everyone playing in the same league, "different but equal" would have seperate but equal leagues for men and women. Having women able to play in men's and women's leagues but barring men from women's leagues discriminates against men.

I'd love to play for a women's team!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

That is bullcrap.

Let's say a 13 year old female hockey player believes that she has what it takes to make the NHL. As is commonplace for hockey, the girls team in the area is very weak compared to the boys team. She would not be able to develop her skills to the point where she could compete at the highest levels of her game. I would not call a system where a poor male player has a better chance of developing than a great female player a fair and equitable system.

If we really want equality on all sides, areas should have a girls house league, a boys house league and a UNISEX competitive league. It's not right to exclude people from playing in the best leagues based on gender than it was to exclude black baseball players before Jackie Robinson. If you are good enough to play on the best team, then you are good enough to play on the best team. Period. End of story.

BTW - that door does swing both ways.... if the girl's softball team just happens to be better than the boy's team, then in THAT case, I think a boy, should he so wish to do so, should be able to compete for THAT team. But I think that would rarely be the case.

Just curious, what's your view on a situation where a boy wants to play ringette, or another sport with only female teams? Do you let him play period? Do you let him play if he's not dominating due to physical differences? It's a tough call in that situation IMO.

The other situation I struggle with is the boy who's not good enough to play on the lowest level boys team but would fit right in on a girls team. Can't the same argument be made that by refusing him a spot he's not getting the opportunity to develop based solely on his gender?

[CaptainCrunch]

Does that mean its ok to give a girl the old Gordie Atomic elbow and I won't be crapped on for hitting a girl.

I'm fine with the fact that girls can play in boys competitive leagues, but men (good men) are wired not to hit or abuse girls, but in hockey or football a boy is going to be universally destroyed for taking a run at pretty little Sally Smith.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

The other situation I struggle with is the boy who's not good enough to play on the lowest level boys team but would fit right in on a girls team. Can't the same argument be made that by refusing him a spot he's not getting the opportunity to develop based solely on his gender?

Actually, I know a situation exactly like that where the parent actually agreed to the exception. The issue was that a 10 year old boy moved to Ottawa from Africa. He didn't know how to skate, so he was not good enough to play even on the lowest level boys team. However, 10 is when many girls START playing ringette and are just learning how to skate. So the parents of the boy asked the league if it would be okay for their son to play so that he could learn basic skating skills and co-ordination on the ice. The league checked with the parents of the girls and while there were a few objections, the vast majority had no problems with it.

Now, that was hearsay from a co-worker who was one of the parents consulted, so I don't have a link to any news story, but if the question was if I support that kind of thing, I do so wholeheartedly.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Does that mean its ok to give a girl the old Gordie Atomic elbow and I won't be crapped on for hitting a girl.

I'm fine with the fact that girls can play in boys competitive leagues, but men (good men) are wired not to hit or abuse girls, but in hockey or football a boy is going to be universally destroyed for taking a run at pretty little Sally Smith.

When I was in high school one of the teams had a girl that played o-line. We beat the tar out of her (their whole team was pretty poor) and nobody thought a thing of it. Now we didn't have press to tear us apart or anything, but as far as the guys on the field were concerned she was going to get hit just as hard as anyone else.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Actually, I know a situation exactly like that where the parent actually agreed to the exception. The issue was that a 10 year old boy moved to Ottawa from Africa. He didn't know how to skate, so he was not good enough to play even on the lowest level boys team. However, 10 is when many girls START playing ringette and are just learning how to skate. So the parents of the boy asked the league if it would be okay for their son to play so that he could learn basic skating skills and co-ordination on the ice. The league checked with the parents of the girls and while there were a few objections, the vast majority had no problems with it.

Now, that was hearsay from a co-worker who was one of the parents consulted, so I don't have a link to any news story, but if the question was if I support that kind of thing, I do so wholeheartedly.

I guess the tough call would come if he decided he was really into ringette, developed a good skill set, and wanted to continue playing. Then I imagine those parents may not be so quick to agree.

The tough part about gender issues is you can't treat them like any other discrimination case as there are inherent differences that come into play. It almost requires a case by case analysis, but that typically leaves a lot of angry people.

[PIMking]

down in the Quad Cities we had an Open league were we had some girls from Mich State playing in our league. It was a SEMI check game and everyone was fine until one of the girls lit up a guy and the next shift he lit her up and then they started bitching and moaning. I'm okay with a women/girl playing in a mens/boys league but they don't get special rights and don't get hit because they are a Female.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Does that mean its ok to give a girl the old Gordie Atomic elbow and I won't be crapped on for hitting a girl.

I'm fine with the fact that girls can play in boys competitive leagues, but men (good men) are wired not to hit or abuse girls, but in hockey or football a boy is going to be universally destroyed for taking a run at pretty little Sally Smith.

Surprisingly, we weren't crucified for doing such a thing lol.

My floor hockey team once had a girl who protested that she was not allowed to play because she was a girl and that the boys were being sexist. She was fairly athletic and could definitely dominate in her women's team. So, in order to shut her up, we obliged and let her play.

If anyone says there isn't a clear difference between how a man and a woman is build, then they should have watched this game. Our D out muscled her every single time. She couldn't run fast enough to avoid our back checks, and she didn't get a single shot off or pass off. Granted my team played an aggressive forecheck, but at least the opposing team men were able to use their size and speed to match it. We also played an aggressive style with lots of hitting/slashing/hacking. Since we didn't want to treat her different, by the end of the game, she was pretty beat up.

In the end, no one gave us a hard time for it. Everyone knew the style of game we played and seemed to be understanding. Even she was cool with it, but decided to never play with us again lol.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Boooooooooo!!!

Chicks should stay with chick sports.........

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Boooooooooo!!!

Chicks should stay with chick sports.........