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Old 03-24-2010, 05:53 PM   #1
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Hi there,

I went to the doctors today, and I was diagnosed with 2 herniated discs on my lower right side of my back. I was wondering if anyone here has had herniated disc problems, and if so, what worked the best to alleviate the pain, and treat the condition (exercise/surgery/acupuncture, etc)?
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:03 PM   #2
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$100,000 and a trip to the Mayo Clinic in the US.

Or you could wait a while and have the same surgery done here in Canada.

I know someone who went through shots, pills, exercise, therapy...everything, and surgery was the only thing that fixed it.

Now he's back to normal without a single problem at all.

Cost for him? It was one herniated disk, so $50,000 and a trip to the Mayo Clinic.
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:12 PM   #3
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$100,000 and a trip to the Mayo Clinic in the US.

Or you could wait a while and have the same surgery done here in Canada.

I know someone who went through shots, pills, exercise, therapy...everything, and surgery was the only thing that fixed it.

Now he's back to normal without a single problem at all.

Cost for him? It was one herniated disk, so $50,000 and a trip to the Mayo Clinic.
I wonder how long the waiting list is for Canada
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I have a herniated disc and have tried almost everything. The surgery is far from 100% effective from what I'm told. It might fix the herniation but causes other problems.

I've found a few things to be good for me (sounds like it's the same location for me). When I'm in my best shape in general I have the least pain. Strange, I know, but eating right and working out seem to help the most! I've also tried to limit my time sleeping on my stomach and had some success with ART.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:34 PM   #5
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What helped me with back problems, disc bulging and pressing on the nerve, was hanging upside down (like a bat..lol) Took the pressure off, elongated my spine...yadda yadda yadda...much better. That and exercise and chiropractic adjustments.

Oh..and dont just try to hook your feet over a rafter in your basement-trust me...beg-borrow-steal an inversion table thingamig
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^ I bought an inversion table as well...forgot to mention that. I don't know if that has done a lot for me, but I should pull it out again and see if it gives more relief!
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:43 PM   #7
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I bought one of these chairs that tilts so you're a bit past horizontal. Helped my back. But the most important thing was doing stretches and making sure my back is relaxed. I'm not sure about the herniated disc parts but that helped relieve some of the stress off my back.
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What you guys are doing is just giving you relief.

Eventually you gotta just fix the herniated disk itself.

I haven't really studied the surgery, but I know quite a few people that have had it done and their success rate was over 95%.

A few of them are as healthy as ever.
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Mrs Impaler says yoga.
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Assuming you are ok being an old fat hairy guy sweating his nuts off and trying desperatly not to fart in a room full of young lycra clad hoties.
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What you guys are doing is just giving you relief.

Eventually you gotta just fix the herniated disk itself.

I haven't really studied the surgery, but I know quite a few people that have had it done and their success rate was over 95%.

A few of them are as healthy as ever.
True enough that a lot of these are dealing with the symptoms, but in the case of the decompression (which could be via traction or the inversion) the idea is that by pulling the vertabrae apart the disc gets sucked back in and gives you the relief.
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What is the pain like?
For me it causes pain down my leg and can also cause some numbness and tingling if I don't take it easy in time. I also get some fairly substantial pain around my hip and lower back on that side...which is just downright painful!
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I wanted to get involved with the Chiropractors are Quacks/Not Quacks thread but figured I'd stay out of it. However this topic I can help with, or at the very least offer some insight/support.

First off, here's my back as seen from the MRI they let me keep.


From the MRI you can see a moderate herniation at L4 and a severe herniation at L5. You can also see that both discs show serious "degenerative disc disease". Healthy discs should be full of fluid and obviously not impinging on your spinal cord. In the photo above the white area is actually a sack that hoses the spinal cord so contact with the sack does not necessarily mean nerve contact and all that fun stuff that comes with it.

For some background info I was 23 when the MRI was taken and am quite athletic. When I had finally made it through the queue and had the MRI above I was essentially "back pain free"...

With that said, surgery should be saved for a last resort. First of all numerous studies show that surgery alone actually has a relatively low success rate. If you didn't have an "oh " moment discs herniate for a reason and surgery does not fix the reason. Even if a surgery is successful you have a high chance of a relapse since you have still ignored the root cause. Actually, even if you did have an "oh " moment, said moment could have been prevented with proper muscle support.

Next, surgery on a herniated disc is an amputation of sorts. What they're going to do is cut off the bulging bit in while hoping that is what is actually causing your pain. When it gone it's gone forever. It's not going to grow back and you'll have no chance of having that disc slip back in, which can and does happen. You'll forever have a smaller disc and increase your chance for other problems in the future, like bone contact when your disks shrink with age, like they will.

I mentioned hoping because at the end of the day a doctor can not pin point your exact location of pain. I had sciatica with pain from my spine all the way down to my toes at times. I also had numbness that showed up after some chiropractic visits (I'll save this one for now). Sciatica, more precisely numbness where I had it, can be cause by a few things. Along with disc impingement on the spinal cord something as simple as a tight muscle in your ass, known as "piriformis syndrome", can compress the nerve and offer herniated disc like symptoms. Wouldn't it be a shame to have surgery only to find out a simple massage could have done more good for you pain?

OK, assuming your doctor wasn't an idiot, mine was, I'll explain what helped me instead of just trying to talk you out of surgery. I went to my family doctor, then a physiotherapist, then a chiropractor, then a sports medicine doctor, another physiotherapist, another chiro on the side and finally started yoga.

Trying not to let this be any longer then it already is I'll summarize. Physio and acupuncture each helped a lot at certain stages of my injury. Primarily the combination of having my sports med doctor work with my physiotherapist. Yoga helped the most out of anything as soon I was able to safely participate in yoga. "Pigeon" pose offered the most relief for me. The pose is essentially a glute/piriformis stretch which would indicate most of my pain was cause by "piriformis syndrome". That said, the general core strength and flexibility I gained from yoga no doubt removed a lot of the stress off my discs if they were in fact the problem.

You also have to know things will take a while. I had a hard time when my sports medicine doctor told me it would take a year to get better. Well a year later I can say it's really not that bad and I'm stronger and healthier as a result.

Hopefully some of that made sense and I didn't ramble too much. I'd be happy to answer more questions if you have any. I could have kept going but I figured no one else wanted to hear it...
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What you guys are doing is just giving you relief.

Eventually you gotta just fix the herniated disk itself.
Disagree.

I once read, If you were to MRI 10 strangers off the street there's a chance that 5 or 6 could show herniation's or degenerative disc disease. Of those 10, 2 or 3 might complain of back pain with no real correlation to the MRI results.

Edit: Here's a source from a chiro's website. I'll update with a real source when I find it again.
Here's another source that, while it may be from a chiro's site, sites academic literature regarding false diagnosis.


I'm a prime example, I have a herniated disc and an MRI to prove it but I have zero symptoms from the disc herniation. Sometimes my back gets stiff but people with "healthy" backs get stiff muscles too. Shortly before that MRI I gave myself a concussion through my spine by landing on my tailbone (I didn't even know you could do that, did you? weird...) Anyways, if exercise alone can stabilize my herniated disc to the point where that doesn't cause ANY pain, why get surgery? It is important to disconnect clinical results from actually symptoms!

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Well I'm not talking about the people who are only stiff at the end of the day.

I'm talking about the people with constant pain.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:28 AM   #17
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Yeah, I was one of those people. I couldn't sit for more then a few minutes and when I would try and get up sometimes I would just fall over. I walked with a limp and couldn't do anything comfortably but lie down.

Conservative treatment through exercise is the best place to start. The only time a physician will recommend surgery right off the bat is if your herniated disc is pinching a nerve that is causing you to lose control of internal organs.
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assuming you are ok being an old fat hairy guy sweating his nuts off and trying desperatly not to fart in a room full of young lycra clad hoties.
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Thats the worst part for me, I'm going to Gold's gym for 2 hours a night 4 nights away. Man that place has some hot chicks. Its not the farting I'm worried about, I wear earphones. Its the accidental setting up of the tent.
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Its the accidental setting up of the tent.
Truth.

The hardest part about yoga is keeping yourself under control when your face is inches away from some hot 19 year old bum. However, if you can manage to keep it under control you will find you'll be stronger, more flexible and have much better balance. All three of which don't hurt when it comes to quality of life!
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