Christian fundamentalists target Shrek 2

[Frank the Tank]

Shrek 2 = sin!!

As if I needed any more ammunition to continue my life as an athiest, I come across this gem today.

[Clarkey]

Are you really an athiest?

These religious fundamentalist groups are really hurting their cause. They are turning a lot of people away with these silly protests, how myopic.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Clarkey@Feb 21 2005, 08:58 PM
Are you really an athiest?

These religious fundamentalist groups are really hurting their cause. They are turning a lot of people away with these silly protests, how myopic.

I am as athiest as athiest can be my friend.

[The Familia]

ahhh so your religious then Frank? Atheism is a type of religion, a religion thta doesn't believe in God.

[calf]

Originally posted by The Familia@Feb 21 2005, 04:06 PM
ahhh so your religious then Frank? Atheism is a type of religion, a religion thta doesn't believe in God.

it's a belief, not a religion.

I don't think athiesm is organized enough to be called a religion

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Feb 21 2005, 12:44 PM
Shrek 2 = sin!!

As if I needed any more ammunition to continue my life as an athiest, I come across this gem today.

Religious fundamentalists like to claim they are spokesmen for god, give me a break. This and religion in general really turns off a lot of people, but don't be in too much of a hurry to throw out the baby with the bathwater. God or this energy or experience or however you wish to refer to it can be felt without religion acting as the middleman and telling you how you should think. Religion has been playing this powertrip for ages and was especially strong when most people couldn't read and before the printing press.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

I'm agnostic because some religions have cooler gods than other ones. Don't know what moral precepts to live by (other than be nice to people and don't be a racist a-hole) being chosen by someone else have to do with it.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by The Familia@Feb 21 2005, 06:06 PM
ahhh so your religious then Frank? Atheism is a type of religion, a religion thta doesn't believe in God.

Atheism is about as far removed from religion as you can get...however IF you want us to be named something then call us Humanists.


Is Humanism a Religion?

The most widely used meaning of the word religion is probably the belief that a God or Gods exist who created the world, who is/are to be worshipped, and who is/are responsible for creating ethical and behavioral codes. In that context, Humanism is definitely not a religion, and would not be perceived as one by many of its followers. Humanists do not generally believe in a supreme deity or deities, demons, ghosts, angels, in a supernatural world, in heaven and hell, or in a divinely ordained ethical code for humans to follow. Most would regard God as a creation of mankind rather than the reverse.

Humanist beliefs and practices:

A Humanist Manifesto was prepared in 1933, endorsed by 34 leading Humanists, and published in the 1933-MAY/JUN issue of The New Humanist (VI:3:1-5). 5 It was updated as the Humanist Manifesto II in 1973. 6 Some of the themes of the latter document are:
They trace their roots to the rational philosophy first created in the West in ancient Greece. Many regard Socrates as the first and greatest of the Humanists.
They value knowledge based on reason and hard evidence rather than on faith.
Being secular Humanists, they reject the concept of a personal God, and regard humans as supreme. From this belief naturally follows:
"the preciousness and dignity of the individual person is a central humanist value."
a rejection of a created universe in favor of the theory of evolution and a universe that obeys natural laws
a rejection of divinely inspired ethical and moral codes in favor of codes derived by reason from the human condition
the belief that full responsibility for the future of the world, its political systems, its ecology, etc. rests with humans. There is no God in heaven to intervene and save us from a disaster
Many Humanists believe that much historical progress has arisen from the conflict between organized religion and secular society in which the former beliefs and practices have been replaced with secular beliefs.
They feel that religious groups' "promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful."
They accept democracy and reject both theocracy and secular dictatorships as political systems that are dangerous to individual freedoms.
They value freedom of inquiry, expression and action. They have a history of combating bigotry, hatred, discrimination, intolerance and censorship.
They are energetic supporters of the separation of church and state.
They tend to have very liberal beliefs about controversial ethical topics, like abortion, corporal punishment of children, death penalty, enforced prayer in schools, homosexuality, physician assisted suicide, etc.
They believe that "moral values derive their source from human experience." Since most believe that an afterlife is non-existent, they regard life here on earth to be particularly precious. They are highly motivated to alleviating pain and misery around the world. Many are active in refugee, human rights, anti-death penalty, environmental groups, etc.
Generally speaking, they do not believe in
a personal God, a Goddess or a combination of Goddesses and Gods.
supernatural beings such as angels, demons, Satan, Holy Spirit, etc.
heaven or hell or life after death.
the separation of a person into body, soul and spirit.
survival of an individual in any form after death.

As to the topic...small minds is all that comes to my mind.

[RougeUnderoos]

I don't know if anyone here can answer this with any sort of authority, but what is the goal of this kind of thing?

Do they make these bizarre claims about cartoon characters because they think it will A) recruit people to the cause B ) warn likeminded, rightthinking, stupid people to avoid the shows about the talking donkey and the ogre or C) they are making a plain old public-service announcement for the rest of us to snicker at?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally posted by Cheese@Feb 21 2005, 04:00 PM
Atheism is about as far removed from religion as you can get...however IF you want us to be named something then call us Humanists.


Is Humanism a Religion?

The most widely used meaning of the word religion is probably the belief that a God or Gods exist who created the world, who is/are to be worshipped, and who is/are responsible for creating ethical and behavioral codes. In that context, Humanism is definitely not a religion, and would not be perceived as one by many of its followers. Humanists do not generally believe in a supreme deity or deities, demons, ghosts, angels, in a supernatural world, in heaven and hell, or in a divinely ordained ethical code for humans to follow. Most would regard God as a creation of mankind rather than the reverse.

Humanist beliefs and practices:

A Humanist Manifesto was prepared in 1933, endorsed by 34 leading Humanists, and published in the 1933-MAY/JUN issue of The New Humanist (VI:3:1-5). 5 It was updated as the Humanist Manifesto II in 1973. 6 Some of the themes of the latter document are:
They trace their roots to the rational philosophy first created in the West in ancient Greece. Many regard Socrates as the first and greatest of the Humanists.
They value knowledge based on reason and hard evidence rather than on faith.
Being secular Humanists, they reject the concept of a personal God, and regard humans as supreme. From this belief naturally follows:
"the preciousness and dignity of the individual person is a central humanist value."
a rejection of a created universe in favor of the theory of evolution and a universe that obeys natural laws
a rejection of divinely inspired ethical and moral codes in favor of codes derived by reason from the human condition
the belief that full responsibility for the future of the world, its political systems, its ecology, etc. rests with humans. There is no God in heaven to intervene and save us from a disaster
Many Humanists believe that much historical progress has arisen from the conflict between organized religion and secular society in which the former beliefs and practices have been replaced with secular beliefs.
They feel that religious groups' "promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful."
They accept democracy and reject both theocracy and secular dictatorships as political systems that are dangerous to individual freedoms.
They value freedom of inquiry, expression and action. They have a history of combating bigotry, hatred, discrimination, intolerance and censorship.
They are energetic supporters of the separation of church and state.
They tend to have very liberal beliefs about controversial ethical topics, like abortion, corporal punishment of children, death penalty, enforced prayer in schools, homosexuality, physician assisted suicide, etc.
They believe that "moral values derive their source from human experience." Since most believe that an afterlife is non-existent, they regard life here on earth to be particularly precious. They are highly motivated to alleviating pain and misery around the world. Many are active in refugee, human rights, anti-death penalty, environmental groups, etc.
Generally speaking, they do not believe in
a personal God, a Goddess or a combination of Goddesses and Gods.
supernatural beings such as angels, demons, Satan, Holy Spirit, etc.
heaven or hell or life after death.
the separation of a person into body, soul and spirit.
survival of an individual in any form after death.

As to the topic...small minds is all that comes to my mind.

Most would regard God as a creation of mankind rather than the reverse.

That's me in a nutshell, right there.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Feb 21 2005, 05:37 PM
I don't know if anyone here can answer this with any sort of authority, but what is the goal of this kind of thing?

Do they make these bizarre claims about cartoon characters because they think it will A) recruit people to the cause B ) warn likeminded, rightthinking, stupid people to avoid the shows about the talking donkey and the ogre or C) they are making a plain old public-service announcement for the rest of us to snicker at?

Probably B ]. Born again Christians feel morally superior because they have been saved and have a personal relationship with God. They only see a small part of god [or what ever you want to call him or her], and transfer their feelings of bigotry to god's feelings, when I don't think god cares what colour, sex, or orientation you might be.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Feb 22 2005, 12:37 AM
I don't know if anyone here can answer this with any sort of authority, but what is the goal of this kind of thing?

Do they make these bizarre claims about cartoon characters because they think it will A) recruit people to the cause B ) warn likeminded, rightthinking, stupid people to avoid the shows about the talking donkey and the ogre or C) they are making a plain old public-service announcement for the rest of us to snicker at?

Personally Rouge, I only ever see these things as publicity stunts. Just something to drum up buzz around an organization that normally would get none.

[Incogneto]

Originally posted by KootenayFlamesFan+Feb 21 2005, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KootenayFlamesFan @ Feb 21 2005, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cheese@Feb 21 2005, 04:00 PM
Atheism is about as far removed from religion as you can get...however IF you want us to be named something then call us Humanists.


Is Humanism a Religion?

The most widely used meaning of the word religion is probably the belief that a God or Gods exist who created the world, who is/are to be worshipped, and who is/are responsible for creating ethical and behavioral codes. In that context, Humanism is definitely not a religion, and would not be perceived as one by many of its followers. Humanists do not generally believe in a supreme deity or deities, demons, ghosts, angels, in a supernatural world, in heaven and hell, or in a divinely ordained ethical code for humans to follow. Most would regard God as a creation of mankind rather than the reverse.

Humanist beliefs and practices:

A Humanist Manifesto was prepared in 1933, endorsed by 34 leading Humanists, and published in the 1933-MAY/JUN issue of The New Humanist (VI:3:1-5). 5 It was updated as the Humanist Manifesto II in 1973. 6 Some of the themes of the latter document are:
They trace their roots to the rational philosophy first created in the West in ancient Greece. Many regard Socrates as the first and greatest of the Humanists.
They value knowledge based on reason and hard evidence rather than on faith.
Being secular Humanists, they reject the concept of a personal God, and regard humans as supreme. From this belief naturally follows:
"the preciousness and dignity of the individual person is a central humanist value."
a rejection of a created universe in favor of the theory of evolution and a universe that obeys natural laws
a rejection of divinely inspired ethical and moral codes in favor of codes derived by reason from the human condition
the belief that full responsibility for the future of the world, its political systems, its ecology, etc. rests with humans. There is no God in heaven to intervene and save us from a disaster
Many Humanists believe that much historical progress has arisen from the conflict between organized religion and secular society in which the former beliefs and practices have been replaced with secular beliefs.
They feel that religious groups' "promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful."
They accept democracy and reject both theocracy and secular dictatorships as political systems that are dangerous to individual freedoms.
They value freedom of inquiry, expression and action. They have a history of combating bigotry, hatred, discrimination, intolerance and censorship.
They are energetic supporters of the separation of church and state.
They tend to have very liberal beliefs about controversial ethical topics, like abortion, corporal punishment of children, death penalty, enforced prayer in schools, homosexuality, physician assisted suicide, etc.
They believe that "moral values derive their source from human experience." Since most believe that an afterlife is non-existent, they regard life here on earth to be particularly precious. They are highly motivated to alleviating pain and misery around the world. Many are active in refugee, human rights, anti-death penalty, environmental groups, etc.
Generally speaking, they do not believe in
a personal God, a Goddess or a combination of Goddesses and Gods.
supernatural beings such as angels, demons, Satan, Holy Spirit, etc.
heaven or hell or life after death.
the separation of a person into body, soul and spirit.
survival of an individual in any form after death.

As to the topic...small minds is all that comes to my mind.

Most would regard God as a creation of mankind rather than the reverse.

That's me in a nutshell, right there. [/b][/quote]
Amen!

[jonesy]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+Feb 21 2005, 09:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ Feb 21 2005, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Clarkey@Feb 21 2005, 08:58 PM
Are you really an athiest?

These religious fundamentalist groups are really hurting their cause. They are turning a lot of people away with these silly protests, how myopic.

I am as athiest as athiest can be my friend. [/b][/quote]
What if you're wrong??

[Clarkey]

This question may be a bit harsh, and I apologize if it is, but what do you believe would happen if say, heaven forbid, your child or wife died? Where would they go?

I cannot accept that my friends and family members that have died are simply rotting in the ground. Don't you have to have some hope that there is a God and something else beyond this life or what really is the point of it all.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Feb 21 2005, 07:44 PM
Shrek 2 = sin!!

As if I needed any more ammunition to continue my life as an athiest, I come across this gem today.

I have nothing against atheism, but you shouldn't let stories like this serve as fuel for atheism. Not all people with spiritual beliefs are intolerant. By promoting that image, it is really no better than what religious fundamentalists do to marginalize groups that they disagree with.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Clarkey@Feb 22 2005, 12:31 PM
This question may be a bit harsh, and I apologize if it is, but what do you believe would happen if say, heaven forbid, your child or wife died? Where would they go?

I cannot accept that my friends and family members that have died are simply rotting in the ground. Don't you have to have some hope that there is a God and something else beyond this life or what really is the point of it all.

no apologies required Clarkey. I guess the easiest answer is what is left of our bodies does indeed rot in the gorund...if buried...our memories of those who have passed is what keeps them alive.
The other question is....why is there a need to have a heaven and hell? Or why is there a need to have an alternate plane of existence?
Humanist response as above...

They feel that religious groups' "promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful."

In reality it is always what we think of, talk about or pass from generation to generation that keeps that persons memory alive.

[Neeper]

Originally posted by InCoGnEtO+Feb 22 2005, 07:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (InCoGnEtO @ Feb 22 2005, 07:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Most would regard God as a creation of mankind rather than the reverse.

That's me in a nutshell, right there.

Amen! [/b][/quote]
Damn, that's me too!! I am voting myself as the Supreme Leader for Humanists.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by jonesy+Feb 22 2005, 10:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jonesy @ Feb 22 2005, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I am as athiest as athiest can be my friend.

What if you're wrong?? [/b][/quote]
What if you are?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by jonesy+Feb 22 2005, 05:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jonesy @ Feb 22 2005, 05:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I am as athiest as athiest can be my friend.

What if you're wrong?? [/b][/quote]
Then I am wrong and will find out so when I die. Until then, I am a free-thinking sentient being who chooses not to believe in god/religion.