Heres a great documentary on the mythology that was used for Christ. Interesting that their has been dozens of messiahs over the centuries, with more or less the same story as Jesus
Watch Zeitgeist on Youtube. It basically says Christianity is a hoax, based on the story of Horus (as is other religions today), and also draws evidence that Christianity is drawn from astrology.
This is in addition to the film declaring 9/11 a 'False Flag' operation, and explaining the descent of modern man into a supranational fascist movement like that of Big Brother, but that debate is for another time. =)
The problem with the Horus myth and the many others being the genesis for Christianity is two fold:
Firstly, these folks who present there information are selective. They tell of the similarities but, not of the differences. With millions of religions in this world one couldn't help but find similarities between them. It's like looking at the similarities genetically between two species of animals. The importance isn't the similarities but, rather the differences. This nonsense reminds me of the fascinating people have Nostradamus. They take his large volume of work and find similarities between his prophecies and current world events. They then declare his prophesies to be fulfilled. Nostradamus knew nothing of the future and the author of the Horus myth knew nothing of Jesus Christ.
Secondly, the 40 some authors of the Bible didn't have the benefit of a comparative religions study course at their local college. They were individuals who for the most part lived and died in the piece of real estate know today as Israel and Palestine. A few had religious training within the Jewish faith. Most had no more knowledge that the average Israelite.
This theory that Christianity evolved out of other earlier religions has legs only because it appeals to the sensibility of those who despise the influence Christianity has on our society. It something Atheist especially love to put there faith in.
The problem with the Horus myth and the many others being the genesis for Christianity is two fold:
Firstly, these folks who present there information are selective. They tell of the similarities but, not of the differences. With millions of religions in this world one couldn't help but find similarities between them. It's like looking at the similarities genetically between two species of animals. The importance isn't the similarities but, rather the differences. This nonsense reminds me of the fascinating people have Nostradamus. They take his large volume of work and find similarities between his prophecies and current world events. They then declare his prophesies to be fulfilled. Nostradamus knew nothing of the future and the author of the Horus myth knew nothing of Jesus Christ.
Secondly, the 40 some authors of the Bible didn't have the benefit of a comparative religions study course at their local college. They were individuals who for the most part lived and died in the piece of real estate know today as Israel and Palestine. A few had religious training within the Jewish faith. Most had no more knowledge that the average Israelite.
This theory that Christianity evolved out of other earlier religions has legs only because it appeals to the sensibility of those who despise the influence Christianity has on our society. It something Atheist especially love to put there faith in.
So please explain further CB! Tell us all about the vast differences Christianity has to offer from all of the other choices.
Nostradamus knew nothing of the future and the author of the Horus myth knew nothing of Jesus Christ.
What exactly are you getting at here? The Horus character was cooked up long before anyone heard of Jesus so no, the author of the myth didn't know anything about him. So what?
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Secondly, the 40 some authors of the Bible didn't have the benefit of a comparative religions study course at their local college. They were individuals who for the most part lived and died in the piece of real estate know today as Israel and Palestine. A few had religious training within the Jewish faith. Most had no more knowledge that the average Israelite.
That seems like a pretty dodgy crowd to hang your hat on, but to each his own. Anyway, is it so unlikely that these people heard a few stories that originated in Egypt?
Athiests don't have faith, using those words together seems contradictory...
I could go on and on about the fallacies of the organized religion, but all that does is make the "faithful" throw temper tantrums and write me off as the devil..
It something Atheist especially love to put there faith in.
Here it is folks, the knee-jerk christian response, what makes it the knee-jerk christian response you ask? well...
-Nit-picks small points thinking thats enough to disclaim the big picture
-Needlessly directs his attack at atheists
-makes a completely baseless comparison (Nostradomus? c'mon)
-admits that the people who wrote the bible are dumb as a rock by modern standards
-doesn't think the above point completely destroys any chance of creating a plausible counter-argument, or realize that it supports the argument they originally tried to diminish.
-A really bad attempt at trying to come across as clever/witty (see quoted text)
So please explain further CB! Tell us all about the vast differences Christianity has to offer from all of the other choices.
Well there is much.
It provides a correct view of who we are: We are fallen creatures. You and I and the rest of humanity are sinners. Left alone there will never be a perfect society because of who we are. There is much finger pointing at God on this site because of all the suffering in this world but, it is man who has caused and is causing the suffering here. People don't have food or housing that will withstand the weather because we neglect their well being and even exploit the poor in places like China and India. We have Armies because if we didn't we would be overrun by other nations and destroyed. We have police because we have tendencies towards dishonesty and violence. You and I might live good lives by our standards but, we do so by controlling our impulses. Neither you or I could live up to God's standards as revealed in scriptures.
God is the only God. There is only one God. There is no other. He has revealed himself in three personages: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all revealed as individuals and as being the same person. This is a mystery but, not anymore than the fact that God is everywhere or that God is a Spirit. God created the world alone. God destroyed the world with a flood because of the violence of mankind. God hates sin and will judge sinners. God loves mankind despite ourselves and devised a plan for our redemption.
Redemption means payment for a debt. You see God's righteousness demanded a payment for our sin. That payment was death.
Man was created with an eternal soul so death never means the end. Death means separation. Physical death separates you from your body and this earthy realm. Spiritual death separates you from God. God sent His Son to fulfill the requirements of His justice. Jesus Christ took on the form of a man and allowed himself to die in our place. As Jesus hung upon that cross for the first and only time ever there was a separation between him and God the Father. God let a part of Himself die rather than be separated from you or I eternally. Being God death could not keep Him. Jesus as the Creator was life. After rising from the dead He remained in a physical form for 40 days on this earth. He could be touched, He ate, He spoke. On one occasion He spoke to 500 people. At the end of the 40 days he commissioned the first church one last time to spread the news of his redemption to the world.
The Bible says that: whosoever recieved Him to them gave he power to become the sons of God; even to them that believe on His name. In other words the payment is there and your relationship with God will be restore if you want that relationship.
The most familiar verse in the world is John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotton Son that whosoever believeth in
him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus wasn't finished speaking there. His next three verses were equally as revealing: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotton Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into this world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jesus Christ is not a continuation of some ancient myths. He is real and He couldn't have done more to prove who he was and his victory over death. There is no one like Him.
and the knee-jerk christianity train keeps a chuggin'. Way to not point out how christianity is any different or more valid than other religions. You basically said "christianity is the true religion cuz I said so, thats why".
If you had done your research, you'd realize alot of the examples you pointed out were derived from other, older religions (god taking form of man, dying for our redemption, the resurection - all done many dozens of times in older mythologies). Just because christianity has found its own take on these tried and true concepts of creating a religion, doesn't make them fact.
What of the other people who supposidly were resurrected from the dead...?? Example, Lazarus?? No one made him into the messiah after he rose from the grave.. I guess I shouldnt get into specifics but its difficult not too..
Also if god is all knowing, all seeing ect.. Who created him?? Also where did he gain this all knowing knowledge if none existed to begin with..
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Ever heard of Horus?
