Mein Fuhrer on Larry King

[JohnnyFlame]

Was pretty hilarious on Larry King when they had a leftist/righty thing tonight. One of the lefties mentioned how Bush was like Hitler and the right wingers had a good laugh. Larry joined in at the break by saying and we will be right back at the Reichstag.

The Hitler thing is such a joke -- makes those that spout it sound like off the wall idiots.

Is this really the left's answer to the fact that virtually the entire American public thinks the Democrats are wussies. Heck they showed Heath Shuler who is trying to get elected to Congress in North Carolina. Guy is trying as hard as possible to paint himself as a local Democrat but a non party Democrat. Believes in gun control, right to life, no gay marriage and every other Republican platform but says he believes he should be a Democrat so he can help those who need helping.

LOL it's actually a place where there are far more Democrats but they won't vote for them cause they don't want some Wuss representing them.

I knew the Wussie factor was big but I guess the Dem's have completely thrown in the towel trying to talk tough(they have such a collection of wussies there is no hope they look anything like presidential) and hope they can paint the Rep's as dictators.

[transplant99]

Shuler is actually leading (15 points at one time) a long-time and (till now) firmly entrenched Republican in Charles Taylor. Hope Shuler wins as Taylor is old-school pork-barreling and a flat out crook.

The smear ads between the two of them are getting ridiculous....just want the freakin election over if for no other reason than not having to listen to those pieces of junk on the radio when driving.

[RougeUnderoos]

I may be wrong on this, but I heard her mention something about "it was a Springtime for Hitler moment" and I don't think she was even talking about Bush. Maybe she was though. I don't get the reference since I don't know the song, but it sure didn't sound like she was comparing Bush to Hitler to me. One of the right-wing yakkers said something like "there they go again bringing up Hitler" which mayb be a fair point, but he didn't say "she compared Bush to Hitler ha ha ha".

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I may be wrong on this, but I heard her mention something about "it was a Springtime for Hitler moment" and I don't think she was even talking about Bush. Maybe she was though. I don't get the reference since I don't know the song, but it sure didn't sound like she was comparing Bush to Hitler to me. One of the right-wing yakkers said something like "there they go again bringing up Hitler" which mayb be a fair point, but he didn't say "she compared Bush to Hitler ha ha ha".

It's a reference to "The Producers"--which is a musical that is actually in no way about Hitler, incidentally.

I find it interesting that the original poster thinks

the entire American public thinks the Democrats are wussies.

Now, I'm pretty sure that's not on the list of questions that Zogby international asks people over the phone. But if that were true, why would Democrats be enjoying a 20 point lead on the generic congressional ballot nationwide.

It sounds to me like you're confusing regional politics with national politics. In many districts, both candidates are either right or left, depending on what the voters want. The district I live in, for instance, is represented by an anti-war, pro-choice, pro-gun-control, pro-funding-for-the-arts, pro-labour REPUBLICAN. Is he a "wussy?"

Democrats will likely take control of the house in a few weeks. Possibly the Senate if the planets line up right, assuming the Dems don't screw it up again. But I guess the [QUOTE Dem's have completely thrown in the towel[/QUOTE]

If you say so, anyway.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

It's a reference to "The Producers"--which is a musical that is actually in no way about Hitler, incidentally.

I find it interesting that the original poster thinks

Now, I'm pretty sure that's not on the list of questions that Zogby international asks people over the phone. But if that were true, why would Democrats be enjoying a 20 point lead on the generic congressional ballot nationwide.

It sounds to me like you're confusing regional politics with national politics. In many districts, both candidates are either right or left, depending on what the voters want. The district I live in, for instance, is represented by an anti-war, pro-choice, pro-gun-control, pro-funding-for-the-arts, pro-labour REPUBLICAN. Is he a "wussy?"

Democrats will likely take control of the house in a few weeks. Possibly the Senate if the planets line up right, assuming the Dems don't screw it up again. But I guess the [QUOTE Dem's have completely thrown in the towel

If you say so, anyway.[/quote]

Ahh the lost art of reading comprehension. Throwing in the towell was in reference to the inability of the Democrats to be able to paint themselves as tough leaders. Of course there are different types all over the place but the overall national outlook on the Dem's as Wussies is one they have been trying to get out from under for years.

As for why the Democrats would be leading geez give your head a shake. What a stupid answer to a known deficit of the Democratic Party. Ahh we are leading so whatever they say we are weak in isn't true --- LOL nice logic bud.

Body bags and a midterm election. That's it in a nutshell.

Fact is that if they had managed to pull out the troops from Iraq by now they would have won again. I haven't heard a single thing from Democrats that I could see convincing somebody to change their vote other than the other guys are freakin brown shirts jackbooting through the streets -- Put us in -- we are crooks but at least we ain't facists!!

So very, very typical of politics in general these days which is so entirely bankrupt. The party that is out has nothing to offer -- ZIP. Their platform amounts to little else than "Put us in -- those guys SUCK!!!

[mykalberta]

I agree, I think the Dems will get a slight Majority in the House, the Senate/President will depend on if the US is out of Iraq by that time, there is a reason the 365 day timetable was released yesterday (whether or not .

Its been 5 years since 9-11, I know this might not be PC but the longer the US goes without a Terrorist attack agianst its home soil, the worse the "Wuss" argument becomes. I have always wondered what post 9-11 would have been like had Kerry won, would he have even invaded Afghanistan? I think that is why the "Wuss" argument was so effective, comparing Kerry to Bush (a man with what appears to be at least a few convictions v Kerry who seemed like he had none) is like saying the French army wont surrender at the drop of a hat. Bush is not so unlike Klien in the personality aspect, when he gives a speech its doesnt appear that he is giving a speech but more speaking to you directly (he has many flaws but that is easily his strongest point).

Iowa, since you are more in the know down there, who does it look like will run for the Dems/Reps down there for president.

Reps names thrown around are McCain/Juiliani/Rice(If Hillary runs)
Dems names thrown around are, I assume Hillary/Baraq(sp?)(likely not experienced enough but would add an interesting Dynamic)

Are there any other names thrown out there? Goveners etc?

Thanks

MYK

[JohnnyFlame]

Well if the Dems could get Jesse Ventura and the law could be changed for Arnie wouldn't that be a great race.

Jesse the Body vrs Conan the Barbarian

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I agree, I think the Dems will get a slight Majority in the House, the Senate/President will depend on if the US is out of Iraq by that time, there is a reason the 365 day timetable was released yesterday (whether or not .

Its been 5 years since 9-11, I know this might not be PC but the longer the US goes without a Terrorist attack agianst its home soil, the worse the "Wuss" argument becomes. I have always wondered what post 9-11 would have been like had Kerry won, would he have even invaded Afghanistan? I think that is why the "Wuss" argument was so effective, comparing Kerry to Bush (a man with what appears to be at least a few convictions v Kerry who seemed like he had none) is like saying the French army wont surrender at the drop of a hat. Bush is not so unlike Klien in the personality aspect, when he gives a speech its doesnt appear that he is giving a speech but more speaking to you directly (he has many flaws but that is easily his strongest point).

Iowa, since you are more in the know down there, who does it look like will run for the Dems/Reps down there for president.

Reps names thrown around are McCain/Juiliani/Rice(If Hillary runs)
Dems names thrown around are, I assume Hillary/Baraq(sp?)(likely not experienced enough but would add an interesting Dynamic)

Are there any other names thrown out there? Goveners etc?

Thanks

MYK

Edwards is still in there along with Vilsack and even Kerry. Something I read had Edwards running ahead of Hilary.

[RougeUnderoos]

I still find it amazing that so many people were convinced, and even remain convinced to this day, that the war hero is the wimp and the draft dodger was the tough guy "with convictions".

Anyhow, I saw the clip in question again and the woman was talking about a comment Rush Limbaugh made about Michael J. Fox. How you got "one of the lefties mentioned how Bush was like Hitler" out of that is beyond me.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I still find it amazing that so many people were convinced, and even remain convinced to this day, that the war hero is the wimp and the draft dodger was the tough guy "with convictions".

Anyhow, I saw the clip in question again and the woman was talking about a comment Rush Limbaugh made about Michael J. Fox. How you got "one of the lefties mentioned how Bush was like Hitler" out of that is beyond me.

Yeah, that was pretty disgusting. Limbaugh should be chucked into a hole for the rest of his days.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I still find it amazing that so many people were convinced, and even remain convinced to this day, that the war hero is the wimp and the draft dodger was the tough guy "with convictions".

Anyhow, I saw the clip in question again and the woman was talking about a comment Rush Limbaugh made about Michael J. Fox. How you got "one of the lefties mentioned how Bush was like Hitler" out of that is beyond me.

Obvious you didn't watch the show but feel free to be a mouthpiece anyway.

[RougeUnderoos]

Good lord. What do you think I'm doing, making it up? This took me about two seconds to find. Maybe you should do a little digging for yourself. Either that or get your ears checked.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/24/lkl.01.html

KING: I didn't ask Stephanie. What do you think?

MILLER: I -- you know, we do a segment called "Right Wing World" every day when we play sound bites. And by the way Neal, a couple of the things you said, you've been in there a few times, buddy, keep going.

But I've got to say, this was the morning -- this was like the springtime for Hitler face. This, I could not -- first of all, maybe he shouldn't talk about other people's drug problem. But secondly, it just is beyond awful. I don't even know how you -- I can't believe we're having this discussion on whether it's appropriate to accuse Michael J. Fox of faking his Parkinson's symptoms because you don't agree with him.

You tell me where she says Bush was like Hitler.

[JohnnyFlame]

Don't have to get my ears checked. Did she say it word for word--Nope. Just tossed out the Hitler thing and what pray tell was that all about? Yep the continuing Bush = Hitler campaign.

The other guy pointed it out as laughable and King joined in on laughin it up.

Whatever -- the real point is the Hitler thing is lame.

Those that believe it are even lamer!!!

[RougeUnderoos]

They weren't even talking about Bush. Did you not even read the transcript? They were talking about something else entirely, and the Hitler reference was about her own reaction to Rush Limbaugh.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

They weren't even talking about Bush. Did you not even read the transcript? They were talking about something else entirely, and the Hitler reference was about her own reaction to Rush Limbaugh.

Do you have an answer to the real point(whether this Hitler reference is a stellar example of the campaign or not) -- I doubt it!!! -- I doubt it very much if you can move your brain to an overall issue but we will see.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Johnny, do you have any clue what "springtime for Hitler" means?

[Hakan]

I don't think he knows what springtime means.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Hakan

I don't think he knows what springtime means.

Fart! Zing!!!

[RougeUnderoos]

You started this thread with a clearly false statement and you got called on it. Deal with it.

In my first post I mentioned that it was a fair point for the right-wing guy to say "there they go again bringing up Hitler". That being said, it's pretty obvious that the woman didn't say "Bush was like Hitler" which you insist was the message.

Anyhow, I don't think the Democrats have a monopoly on mudslinging or painting the other side as something they are not. I notice a few people around here have been convinced that Kerry (the guy who actually, you know, served his country and fired a weapon) is a "wussie" and that George is some sort of soldier.

[Lurch]

In my first post I mentioned that it was a fair point for the right-wing guy to say "there they go again bringing up Hitler". That being said, it's pretty obvious that the woman didn't say "Bush was like Hitler" which you insist was the message.

I think it's clear the guy on the show did not get the reference, just as it's clear JohnnyFlame missed it as well. It had exactly nothing to do with any comparison to Bush/Hitler, and just meant she was in disbelief about what Limbaugh was actually saying, i.e. Michael J Fox was faking his symtoms. In reality, if you want to say she was comparing anyone to Hitler, it was herself and her reaction.

Really, it's pretty funny that a relatively clear exchange, even if you don't get the exact pop culture reference (which I, like probably 90% of people had to look up), can be distorted to such an extent. It probably highlights a big failing of the left in media relations - the Limbaugh model of loud, absurd accusations repeated daily is much more successful with the masses than obscure references and nuanced points.