Museum for Creationists

[Hakan]

The nation's largest museum devoted to the alternative reality that is biblical creation science is rising just outside Cincinnati. Set amid a park and three-acre artificial lake, the 50,000-square-foot museum features animatronic dinosaurs, state-of-the-art models and graphics, and a half-dozen staff scientists. It holds that the world and the universe are but 6,000 years old and that baby dinosaurs rode in Noah's ark.

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[evman150]

"Museum for Creationists, and total morons..."

I would argue that what follows the comma in your statement is redundant and declared implicitly in what is said before the comma.

B-)

[HOZ]

I say we all read Angels and Demons and meet somewhere in the middle.

[Frank the Tank]

"....alternative reality that is biblical creation science...."


Sooooooo much funny there I just don't know where to begin.

Hey, my alternative reality is The Matrix and my name is really Neo! HAHA!!

[Frank the Tank]

"We call him our 'missionary lizard,' " Looy says. "When people realize the T. rex lived in Eden, it will lead us to a discussion of the gospel. The T. rex once was a vegetarian, too."


Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

I love it. Lets just make things up to "prove" our theory! This is awesome!

Hey everyone, I'm the King of England living in exile. Just so you all know.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Hakan@Oct 19 2005, 03:26 AM

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Beautiful...lets make sure this gets out to everyone we know. It cant do anything but prove the point about the stupidity of the religious right.

[Cowperson]

"We call him our 'missionary lizard,' " Looy says. "When people realize the T. rex lived in Eden, it will lead us to a discussion of the gospel. The T. rex once was a vegetarian, too."

Somebody needs to drop this guy into Jurrasic Park . . . . . in THAT fantasy world he'd have his head bitten off while sitting on the toilet as he's reading the Bible!!!

Cowperson

[Frank the Tank]

These guys have inspired me to start my own museum. I'm opening the Museum of Unicorns, Dragons,Faeries, Angels, Abominable Snowmen, Mermaids, One-Eyed One-Horned Flying Purple People Eaters and Other Fantabulousness. Got $50 you wanna donate? I'm going on faith that they all exist. I can't prove my theory, nor do I have any evidence, but that's incidental. And I'm going to push that they teach all the history of these creatures in school cuz, well, I'm no further behind in my quest to prove they exist than the creationists are in their quest to prove that all we know of modern science is wrong.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

This is the scariest/saddest part of this article....

Young Earth Creationism -- which holds that the Bible is the literal word of God and that He created the universe in seven days-- has a more powerful hold on the beliefs of Americans than evolutionary theory or intelligent design. That grip grows stronger by the year.


Polls taken last year showed that 45 percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago (or less) and that man shares no common ancestor with the ape. Only 26 percent believe in the central tenet of evolution, that all life descended from a single ancestor.


Polls can be made to support almost any point of view (55% of people know that), nonetheless there is something ominous about so many of the citizens of the country that arguably leads the world in science surrendering their opinions to this 'alternate reality'.

Wow
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[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Fozzie_DeBear@Oct 19 2005, 07:21 AM
there is something ominous about so many of the citizens of the country that arguably leads the world in science surrendering their opinions to this 'alternate reality'.

Wow

Actually, if we thought about it, it's probable that the overwhelming majority of human beings on Earth do not believe in evolution and likely instead believe in some sort of spiritual beginning.

Cowperson

[troutman]

Poll Results:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

Belief in creation science seems to be largely a U.S. phenomenon. A British survey of 103 Roman Catholic priests, Anglican bishops and Protestant ministers/pastors showed that:

97% do not believe the world was created in six days.
80% do not believe in the existence of Adam and Eve.

I'll see what I can find on world-wide acceptance of evolution. I expect it is very high in Europe and Russia.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_po...dex.asp?PID=581

In general, older adults (those 55 years of age and older), adults without a college degree, Republicans, conservatives, and Southerners are more likely to embrace the creationism positions in the questions asked.

Those with a college education, Democrats, independents, liberals, adults aged 18 to 54 and those from the Northeast and West support the belief in evolution in larger numbers.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly...1619264,00.html

Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant
As the Religious Right tries to ban the teaching of evolution in Kansas, Richard Dawkins speaks up for scientific logic

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by troutman@Oct 19 2005, 08:07 AM
I'll see what I can find on world-wide accepatance of evolution. I expect it is very high in Europe and Russia.

Try globally, which is what I inferred. Including non-Christian nations.

I had already assumed in my assertion above that European Christian nations would have a higher level of acceptance of evolution.

Cowperson

[troutman]

A survey for Christian countries only:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_comp.htm

Two international surveys were conducted during 1991 and 1993 by the International Social Survey Program (ISSP). This is currently located at the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago.

The results on the evolution question may reflect the strength of a scientific, secular world view in the society. The results on the existence of God might reflect the strength of traditional religious belief. The two seem to be inversely related.

http://www.csicop.org/scienceandmedia/evolution/

Polling Opinion about Evolution

The available poll indicators reflect a “low information” public when it comes to the debate over evolution and science education. Few citizens possess both the motivation and the ability to understand the science and politics behind the evolution-creation controversy, and to actively deliberate the merits of proposed policies. Instead, the low information public is likely to rely heavily on their pre-existing views and only the information most readily available to them in the media as the fuzzy material from which to focus their opinions.

[Cowperson]

Not a poll, but an essay wondering why some Muslims believe in evolution:

http://www.harunyahya.com/incompatible02.php

A portion of the site itself devoted to refuting Darwin:

http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php

Is evolution taught in schools in Muslim schools in Arabia, Indonesia, etc? How about India? How is the origin of mankind handled in schools in general around the world?

Cowperson

[Clarkey]

How many Christians actually follow the literal 6 day creationism belief though? I think it is more of a fringe thing, but it gets a lot of attention due to it's lunacy.

[troutman]

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file002.html

Leading scientists still reject God

Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality).

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Interesting stat on the scientists...I wonder what they defined God as for that study.

IMO Science is all that is needed to explore/explain the working of the 'system' we call our Universe.

However, what created the Universe and set it in motion? That is where science falls down and where theology philosophy and logic step up.

My $0.01
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[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Fozzie_DeBear@Oct 19 2005, 01:16 PM
theology philosophy and logic

You can't have those three words in the same sentence together.

[Skyceman]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 19 2005, 08:53 AM
Actually, if we thought about it, it's probable that the overwhelming majority of human beings on Earth do not believe in evolution and likely instead believe in some sort of spiritual beginning.

Cowperson

I would be one of those now.

Yet being a former devout atheist, I can relate to the opinions being strongly held here for Evolution. However, I do "see" things differently than what I used to.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Oct 19 2005, 12:34 PM
You can't have those three words in the same sentence together.

Why not?

Theology and Philosophy can go hand in hand when discussing questions of morality and many other things, and Logic is one of the basic foundations of Philosophy.