08-20-2013, 05:52 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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US Travel Letter for Kids
There is a family event in Montana that we are not able to attend this weekend, but my Wife's sister is willing to take my daughter down with them. Whenever my wife has gone down without me, I would always just write a letter for permission.
My sister in law is saying that she always has gotten the letter notarized first, which has me thinking that either she is insane or my wife has just been lucky when she has gone down.
What is required? Is it different when it isn't one parent taking the child down?
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08-20-2013, 05:56 PM
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#2
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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I recalled that we had this discussion a little while ago - maybe there is some information for you in this thread?
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08-20-2013, 05:56 PM
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I'm a commissioner for oaths and a client asked me to commission one of these. I said I thought it had to be notorized, but she checked and was told a commissioned letter would suffice. It worked fine. I wouldn't act on this information. Just make sure you know what is needed beforehand. Sometimes it depends who you ask, as one person at the office you call may give you a different requirement.
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08-20-2013, 06:21 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: I went west as a young man
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Go on the government of Canada website. There are sample forms for you there that you can fill out online and print. It wouldn't hurt to get it notarized and make sure the kids have their passports
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08-20-2013, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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I've done some family law and have seen travel letters signed routinely when kids are travelling without one or both parents.
Better to have one completed and witnessed by a lawyer/notary/commissioner than to risk trying to cross a border and getting denied.
As was said, you can find templates from the gov't here.
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08-20-2013, 06:33 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: home away from home
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we travel across the border regularly. The recommendation is different depending which way you're going. The American side suggests notarization (which is not as big a burden-- $5 page if done where we live, but rates may vary regionally). As mentioned above, the Canadian recommendation is a signed letter.
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08-20-2013, 06:55 PM
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Location: H-Town, Texas
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My kids cross the border to and from Canada with my parents 5, 6 times a year. I just write a letter, and half the time they don't look at that. The Americans will recommend getting it signed by a Notary but never once has this been a problem for our family, either side.
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08-20-2013, 07:21 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Yeah my sister travels with her kid a ton and she's never had anything notarized, just a signed letter from her ex.
I always get the letter stamped or whatever at a registry, seems to make things smoother for my wife when she travels with our kid.
Visible minority might play into it, when we travel together we hardly ever get any additional attention. My wife and son alone though (she's visibly spanish) get a ton of extra attention, more questions, delays, inspections, etc etc.
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08-20-2013, 08:07 PM
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My wife flies back and forth without me quite regularly, and we have never notarized anything. One time one usbp guy had a little freak out about it, but he just wanted to see a copy of our passports to compare signatures. And border peeps occasionally like to freak out about anything once in a while (most are really good honestly, but 5% of any profession are wing nuts).
So now she brings a basic letter that we both sign, along with copies of our passports. Never had any issues, and they usually don't care about the passport copies.
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08-20-2013, 08:40 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Supporting Urban Sprawl
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Thanks all.
I have no issues with the letter I normally write when my wife takes the kids across, but sending my daughter without either of us has me paranoid.
I think I will print the generated letter from the form and get it notarized, no sense risking her being stuck down there.
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08-20-2013, 08:45 PM
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I will write one for them.
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08-20-2013, 11:28 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
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From the posts, I am getting the impression that most write up a new letter each time you travel. Is the letter retained by CBP after you come back so that it's not used again, or is the information you put in it specific to the travel itinerary? The CPB website's example doesn't seem to include specific info besides "A is allowed to travel with B and C, signed, D"
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08-20-2013, 11:52 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mahogany, aka halfway to Lethbridge
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When I do these for clients I do get pretty specific so as to give as much info as a paranoid border guard might want.
Itinerary - Dates of travel - Accompanied by whom - Where staying at destination and with whom - Consent for accompanying person to authorize medical care for the minor.
Include passport #'s and names for both parents and the child as well.
It's not rocket science, but the more official it looks, the less likely you will have a problem.
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08-21-2013, 05:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wormius
From the posts, I am getting the impression that most write up a new letter each time you travel. Is the letter retained by CBP after you come back so that it's not used again, or is the information you put in it specific to the travel itinerary? The CPB website's example doesn't seem to include specific info besides "A is allowed to travel with B and C, signed, D"
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I always made sure my wife brought it back, as I would include a copy of my DL or Passport. The letter always included a date of travel as well.
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08-21-2013, 06:35 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I've traveled probably 50-60 times across with my kids. I've always had a notorized letter. I guess it wasn't worth the risk for me in case I got the border guard having a bad. I've only been asked to show the letter about 8 times. One time it was looked over pretty good. I just used the template from the website and we put all dates I know we may be going down, to limit the number of letters we write. Usually I do a summer one and a winter one for when we go to the cabin, but we do one-offs for air travel where I include all of the flight information.
I have friends who also never had an issue without an notorized letter. I think I'm more paranoid of getting in trouble because I have property down there.
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08-21-2013, 09:02 AM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winebar Kensington
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I recommend that the letter be notarized (I'm surprised that some of you are getting through without this. I wouldn't take that chance). This form is often used:
http://travel.gc.ca/travelling/children/consent-letter
I don't charge CP members for this service. You need to prepare the letter yourself before attending.
Last edited by troutman; 08-21-2013 at 09:07 AM.
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08-21-2013, 10:47 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Fantasy Island
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I'm divorced and deal with this frequently travelling with my daughter. My understanding is:
Commisioner of Oaths is suitable for inter-provincial/within Canada travel.
Notarizied is required for International travel.
You can look it up on the government of canada website and I believe they have some guidelines as well as draft letters you can use and just fill in the blanks.
As a side note, no customs official, airline employee, or border guard has ever asked to see these letters when I'm travelling with my daughter and we do have different last names. I'd never recommend trying to travel without one though, just because the consequences could be pretty serious for your flight/vacation plans.
Last edited by Peanut; 08-21-2013 at 10:49 AM.
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08-21-2013, 11:02 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kelowna, BC
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just this past week global bc did a segment on this exact topic
they highly recommended a notarized letter becuz it pretty much depends on the border guard. some won't really care, but others will be by the book - and if you don't have everything correct and you get the 'by the book guy' you might be turning around.... or you could just leave your kid at the border.... but then the 'by the book guy' would probably look down on that too
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