Calgary Flames: No Post Apex Plan (N-PAP)

[Da_Chief]

Don't quote me on the signing deadlines, I tried to look up the best I could. 4 years for NCAA players after they get drafted and 2 years for Euros and CHL players.

I'll try to keep this updated as things happen.

Forwards
Name	          Age	Status	Years  Cap Hit ($Million)
NHL
Sven Baertschi	20	Signed	2	1.425
Mikael Backlund	24	RFA	-	-
Paul Byron	24	RFA	-	-
Mike Cammaleri	31	Signed	1	6.0
Curtis Glencross30	Signed	2	2.55
T.J. Galiardi	25	Signed	1	1.25
Roman Horak	22	Signed	1	0.8
Jiri Hudler	29	Signed	3	4.0
Tim Jackman	31	Signed	1	0.612
David Jones	28	Signed	3	4.0
Brian McGratton	31	Signed	2	0.75
Max Reinhart	21	Signed 	2	0.87
Matt Stajan	29	Signed	1	3.5
Lee Stempniak	30	Signed	1	2.5


AHL
Carter Bancks	23	RFA	-	-
Lance Bouma	23	RFA	-	-
David Eddy	23	Signed	1	0.532
Turner Elson	20	Signed	2	0.565
Michael Ferland	20	Signed	2	0.798
Ryan Howse	21	Signed	1	0.878
Ben Hanowski	22	Signed	1	0.9
Blair Jones	26	Signed	1	0.65
Corban Knight	22	Signed	2	0.9
Greg Nemisz	23	Signed	1	0.725
Ben Street	26	Signed	1	0.575


Prospects
Name 	        Age	League	Signed	Signing Deadline
Ken Agostino	21	NCAA	N	August 16, 2014
Bill Arnold	21	NCAA	N	June 1st, 2014
Matt Deblouw	19	NCAA	N	August 16, 2016
John Gaudreau	19	NCAA	N	August 16, 2015
Coda Gordon	18	WHL	N	June 1st, 2014
Markus Granlund	20    SM-liiga	Y	-
Tim Harrison	19	NCAA	N	August 16, 2017
Mark Jankowski	18	NCAA	N	August 16, 2016
Morgan Klimchuk	18	WHL	N	June 1st, 2015
Sean Monahan	18	OHL	N	June 1st, 2015
Emile Poirier	18	QMJHL   N	June 1st, 2015

26 Forward Contracts (counting RFAs cuz I'm sure they'll get signed)

Defensemen
Name	        Age	Status	Years	Cap Hit ($Million)
NHL
TJ Brodie	23	RFA	-	-	
Chris Butler	26	Signed	1	1.7
Mark Giordano	29	Signed	3	4.02
Shane O'Brien   29	Signed	2	2.0
Kris Russell    26	Signed	1	1.5
Derek Smith	28	Signed	1	0.775
Dennis Wideman	30	Signed	4	5.25

AHL
Chad Billins	        Signed	1	0.925
Chris Breen		RFA	-	-
Mark Cundari		RFA	-	-
James Martin		Signed	1	0.575
John Ramage		Signed	2	0.9
Tyler Wotherspoon	Signed	3	0.925

Prospects
Name	        Age	League	Signed	Signing Deadline
Ryan Culkin	19	QMJHL	N	June 1st, 2014
John Gilmour	20	NCAA	N	August 16, 2015*
Keegan Kanzig	18	WHL	N	June 1st, 2015
Brett Kulak	19	WHL	N	June 1st, 2014
Rushan Rafikov	18	KHL	N	June 1st, 2017
Eric Roy	18	WHL	N	June 1st, 2015
Patrick Sieloff	19	OHL	N	June 1st, 2014

13 D Contracts
*Assuming Gilmour has 2 years of eligibility left.

Goaltenders
Name	        Age	Status	Years	Cap Hit ($Million)
NHL
Reto Berra	26	Signed	1	1.38
Joey MacDonald	33	Signed	1	0.925
Kari Ramo	27	Signed	2	2.75

AHL/Euro
Laurent Brossoit20	Signed	3	0.925
Joni Ortio	21	Signed	2	0.8

5 Goalie contracts.

Prospects
Name	        Age	League	Signed	Signing Deadline
Jon Gillies	19	NCAA	N	August 16, 2016


2014 Draft Picks
Calgary 1st 2014
Calgary 2nd 2014
Calgary 3rd 2014
Calgary 4th 2014
Calgary 6th 2014
Calgary 7th 2014

This covers it all I think from pros, minors, prospects, picks. Leme know if you see any errors. Thanks

44 total contracts. We have enough forwards to ice both NHL and AHL roster. 6 Prospects will be needing a contract next year.

[StrykerSteve]

Nice job.

You might want to add in that the conditional 1st from St Louis is also a conditional 4th (if St Louis misses the playoffs).

Also, can you make it so the Signing deadline isn't in the Y/N column?

[J epworth]

Any NCAA prospect the signing deadline is August 16th, not June 1st.

[flylock shox]

That's nifty. Didn't know you could add scroll bars like that.

I think the term "no post apex," though awkward, really captures what the Flames should be targeting. They should probably be aiming for a collective team apex spanning about 2017-2021 and beyond (if they don't hold on to their stars for too long this time).

[nik-]

would you consider this a PAP ... smear?

[fredr123]

Phrasing!

[Cali Panthers Fan]

So the only prospects they need to decide on signing soon are Granlund, Hanowski, Larson, Ramage, and Brossoit?

Out of that group I could see Larson being let go. Not too sure about Hanowski either, but I imagine since he was traded for our franchise player they will get him signed to an ELC.

Granlund and Brossoit have good potential, and Ramage has really improved this year, so they are all must signs IMO.

[JazzyFlame]

Feaster and his phrases, I'd rather he do his job.

But nice work!

[Da_Chief]

Feaster already said contracts for Brossoit and Granlund are close. Ramage will be offered as well. Hanowski will get his after frozen 4. Nothing bout Larson. so those should come and help the heat next year along with Wotherpsoon.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by nik-

would you consider this a PAP ... smear?

Johnny Bench called.

[drPepper1]

You're in the uh dangerrrr zoneee!

[StrykerSteve]

Let Aliu, Babchuk, Begin, Cervenka, Bancks, Cameron, Kolanos, Testuide, Walter, Carson, Macdonald, Irving and Taylor all walk.

Stay the hell away from all UFAs, and forget about cap buyouts, no one's going to buy-out someone that isn't post apex.

Trade Cammalleri, Tanguay, Giordano, Stempniak, Jackman, Glencross, Butler and Sarich.

That's your starting point. Go from there.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I still say Cervenka deserves another 1 year deal to see if he can be an NHLer. He's got too much skill to just give up on, especially when we don't have a lot coming down the pipe.

[CaptainCrunch]

So by your plan we won't be able to ice a nhl team or a AHL team. That way we could forfeit all of our games next year . . . brilliant

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Let Aliu, Babchuk, Begin, Cervenka, Bancks, Cameron, Kolanos, Testuide, Walter, Carson, Macdonald, Irving and Taylor all walk.

Stay the hell away from all UFAs, and forget about cap buyouts, no one's going to buy-out someone that isn't post apex.

Trade Cammalleri, Tanguay, Giordano, Stempniak, Jackman, Glencross, Butler and Sarich.

That's your starting point. Go from there.

Then who the hell is going to play? I get that you don't want UFAs to sign, but from a business perspective this is going to be the equivalent of watching a WHL team playing against an NHL team.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Let Aliu, Babchuk, Begin, Cervenka, Bancks, Cameron, Kolanos, Testuide, Walter, Carson, Macdonald, Irving and Taylor all walk.

Stay the hell away from all UFAs, and forget about cap buyouts, no one's going to buy-out someone that isn't post apex.

Trade Cammalleri, Tanguay, Giordano, Stempniak, Jackman, Glencross, Butler and Sarich.

That's your starting point. Go from there.

There is a salary floor. We can't be the Houston Astros and have a 18.5 million dollar payroll.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Stay the hell away from all UFAs, and forget about cap buyouts, no one's going to buy-out someone that isn't post apex.

I think instead of staying away from UFA's they might as well sign a couple to high salary, short term (1 or 2 year) deals that can then be dealt at the deadline. If they want to compete and spend to the cap go for it, but that way we can get prospects/picks back and still have a few elite players hanging around.

Just like what Dallas did with Roy/Jagr this year, and the type of deals Semin has signed in the past. Sign guys like Ribero, Filpulla, and other UFA's then deal them out at the deadline. Easy way to acquire prospects we'll need 3-4 years from now.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I think instead of staying away from UFA's they might as well sign a couple to high salary, short term (1 or 2 year) deals that can then be dealt at the deadline. If they want to compete and spend to the cap go for it, but that way we can get prospects/picks back and still have a few elite players hanging around.

Just like what Dallas did with Roy/Jagr this year, and the type of deals Semin has signed in the past. Sign guys like Ribero, Filpulla, and other UFA's then deal them out at the deadline. Easy way to acquire prospects we'll need 3-4 years from now.

how about Elias to play with the Czechs?

[StrykerSteve]

They'll be handing out a lot of ELCs, and you aim for players that can step into the lineup immediately in the trading of your wingers and dmen that I mentioned.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I think instead of staying away from UFA's they might as well sign a couple to high salary, short term (1 or 2 year) deals that can then be dealt at the deadline. If they want to compete and spend to the cap go for it, but that way we can get prospects/picks back and still have a few elite players hanging around.

Just like what Dallas did with Roy/Jagr this year, and the type of deals Semin has signed in the past. Sign guys like Ribero, Filpulla, and other UFA's then deal them out at the deadline. Easy way to acquire prospects we'll need 3-4 years from now.

I like this plan a lot, minus one aspect. Signing UFAs means taking roster spots that you could be using for your youngsters. I don't want to see Baertschi playing on the 4th line again next season.