Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

There's thousands of stories just like this







http://www.localdvm.com/news/father-...uder/207153259

What I don’t get is how often do people actually have intruders in their house? It seems exceedingly rare here, just the odd report of a home invasion. I guess some domestic disputes qualify, but does the average person have really anything to fear from a stranger in their home? I get that there are places way more dangerous than SW Calgary but it this fear really justified seemingly all across the US?

[ernie]

It’s so unbelievable to me that the GOP just constantly outright ignores the will of the people and the people still vote for them.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by ernie

It’s so unbelievable to me that the GOP just constantly outright ignores the will of the people and the people still vote for them.

It's again back to their religiosity. Their parties are like religions and they won't let facts get between them and who they already decided they'd vote for before they even looked at any of the issues and how the parties line up on them.

I've voted conservative, liberal and I would definitely vote NDP provincially if there was an election tomorrow. I'm not loyal to any one party and I think most non-religious people would say the same. We vote rationally.

Christians tend to vote conservative here and republican in the states. It's super dumb.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You're insane if you think that non-religious people don't treat their politics like a religion. It's more or less exactly like that for a significant chunk of people. It serves the same psycho-social purpose.

http://goddoesnt.blogspot.ca/2016/01...egressive.html

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You're insane if you think that non-religious people don't treat their politics like a religion. It's more or less exactly like that for a significant chunk of people. It serves the same psycho-social purpose.

http://goddoesnt.blogspot.ca/2016/01...egressive.html

Okay I read a bunch of that article and never got to the part that supported what you're saying. I'm sure it's there as I know you're thorough, but maybe give me a paragraph number or quote the relevant passage.

Definitely some people are going to vote for the same party no matter what regardless of the issues, but I think religious people are more inclined to do so based on what I've seen around me. I don't have an article to support that, so straight up, I'm just speculating. Areligious people are definitely more free to think and change their minds when confronted with new evidence, though (compared to religious people).

It would be cool to know of the people that voted NDP in 2015 and another party in previous elections, how many were religious and how many were not. NDP won in 2015 and had less than 10% of votes in the prior election, so a lot of people voted against any prior party allegiance. I thing non-religious people would have made up a higher percentage of converted voters over religious people, who I think would have been more likely to vote conservative. I have no idea where I'd even look if I wanted to back that up with evidence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Lets hope that if for example Florida passes a law to arm teachers that all of the teachers refuse and walk out.

Just a stupid stupid idea.

[savemedrzaius]

Just arm the students. Problem solved.

[photon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Lets hope that if for example Florida passes a law to arm teachers that all of the teachers refuse and walk out.

It's Florida...

[Bigtime]

MEC has announced they are no longer going to order Vista Outdoor brand products. They will however sell through the stock they still have.

[ernie]

Give those poor kids a pat on the back. They gained some traction and even if not completely meaningful change, they have managed some reform at the market level. Have to see how far this goes.

[nfotiu]

So, I guess the red necks are probably fine boycotting Dick's. Field and Stream will probably be a little tougher, but I'm sure they can find alternative stores. But they are going to be pretty lost trying to boycott Walmart!

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

MEC has announced they are no longer going to order Vista Outdoor brand products. They will however sell through the stock they still have.

Probably a logical response for MEC, it really doesn't cost them anything since they can sell their current inventory. Gotta admit I am a little on the fence on this particular one however.

[Envitro]

Hmmm, this whole MEC thing is a little puzzling I guess.

One company that owns about 100 brands is now boycotted due to one of their divisions making firearms.

It's funny though, every article that mentions Vista Outdoors says that their Savage Arms brand sells AR-15 style rifles and ammunition. That's pretty ignorant of the fact that almost all Savage rifles are bolt-action hunting or precision rifles, but they've keyed in on the fact that they also make one AR-15 style rifle. So all of their brands need to be boycotted.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Envitro

Hmmm, this whole MEC thing is a little puzzling I guess.

One company that owns about 100 brands is now boycotted due to one of their divisions making firearms.

It's funny though, every article that mentions Vista Outdoors says that their Savage Arms brand sells AR-15 style rifles and ammunition. That's pretty ignorant of the fact that almost all Savage rifles are bolt-action hunting or precision rifles, but they've keyed in on the fact that they also make one AR-15 style rifle. So all of their brands need to be boycotted.

It makes perfect sense, they are playing the PR game and responding to the current political/social media climate. Probably will result in a short term bump in sales, but they need to find a way to make up the revenues from the discontinued lines and the customers they will lose in the long term.

Originally Posted by nfotiu

So, I guess the red necks are probably fine boycotting Dick's. Field and Stream will probably be a little tougher, but I'm sure they can find alternative stores. But they are going to be pretty lost trying to boycott Walmart!

Dick's and Field & Stream were already in trouble before this. It seems more like trading on current emotions that an actual altruistic policy shift, especially when you consider the move they made after Sandy Hook. Walmart has most likely already taken their lumps, they stopped selling semi-autos and ARs back in 2015 and don’t sell handguns or magazines.

And "rednecks"? Really? People consistently looking down their nose at others or trying to assert some moral high ground based on their personal interests is part of the reason why you can't have an actual conversation about these issues.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Gotta admit I am a little on the fence on this particular one however.

I'm not. It was an asinine decision by the CEO. They mentioned how they need to take into account all 5+ million members, and go on to say how a few thousand wrote in on social media. It's a vocal (extreme) minority being appeased.

It's not like MEC is carrying Savage, and as Envitro said, Savage is primarily a hunting company.

Let consumers vote with their wallet. If Camelback and Jimmy Styx sales plummet, drop them as brands. But to boycott from a retailer level in this day and age where a handful of companies own most brands is stupid.

I have a hard time believing that the people complaining wouldn't shop at a store that carries the same brand if they found a cheaper price.

I also find it amusing that MEC is likely barely a blip on the radar for Vista, and it seems like a pretty futile stand.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I'm not. It was an asinine decision by the CEO. They mentioned how they need to take into account all 5+ million members, and go on to say how a few thousand wrote in on social media. It's a vocal (extreme) minority being appeased.

Let consumers vote with their wallet.

That hasn't changed. Consumers (and you) can still vote with their wallet. Don't buy from MEC. Especially in this day and age of online shopping with shipping directly to your door if you are so inclined.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And "rednecks"? Really? People consistently looking down their nose at others or trying to assert some moral high ground based on their personal interests is part of the reason why you can't have an actual conversation about these issues.

There's no reasoning or having an intelligent conversation with someone who is boycotting Dick's for this sensible policy.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

There's no reasoning or having an intelligent conversation with someone who is boycotting Dick's for this sensible policy.

Just like you could say the same for someone who thinks MEC shouldn’t sell a pair of Bolle ski goggle or a Giro helmet because those brands are owned by the same parent corporation that also owns a company that makes ammunition?

Why is it just MEC and Vista? Where are all the people who are demanding that camera stores stop carrying Nikon products?

[direwolf]

Another one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/b...red-meyer.html

The Kroger Company will stop selling guns to customers under the age of 21, the grocery store chain said Thursday, joining two other major retailers who have raised age limits after last month’s school shooting in Florida.

Kroger sells guns at 43 of its 133 Fred Meyer locations in Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. It said that, in those stores, customers would not be able to buy either guns or ammunition until undergoing a background check that would verify their age.

The company had already stopped selling assault-style rifles at Fred Meyer locations in Idaho, Oregon and Washington several years ago, and said it would no longer sell assault-style rifles in Alaska or accept any special orders of those guns in the state. It said that it could make the changes immediately. The Wall Street Journal reported the chain’s decision Thursday.

[DuffMan]

The Kroger Company will stop selling guns to customers under the age of 21, the grocery store chain said Thursday, joining two other major retailers who have raised age limits after last month’s school shooting in Florida.

what the? grocery stores! what's next? banks requiring that a person be 21 to receive a free gun when opening an account? Tire places requiring a person be 21 to receive a free gun when getting new tires?
what a crazy world.