2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

100 points for Kuzmenko?

Now that is a hot take.

Time will tell on that one.

Well the numbers once he got healthy says he has the talent to do it. Now if he has the ability to show up every night for 82 games is an entirely different story.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well the numbers once he got healthy says he has the talent to do it. Now if he has the ability to show up every night for 82 games is an entirely different story.

Kuzmenko will get 43.points in 71 games next year.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Kuzmenko will get 43.points in 71 games next year.

* goals

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

* goals

And 0 assists. Just 43 goals.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Lots of talk they want to sign a player to play with Huberdeau. And then want to give Pelletier and Coronato some time in the top 9.

That’s about 3 top 9 forwards too many.

Duclair and Reinhart are the only two ufas that immediately jump off the page to fit that need.

Otherwise you can't really pinpoint a player you know for sure will mesh with him. We've had a lot of candidates tried out there already.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Duclair and Reinhart are the only two ufas that immediately jump off the page to fit that need.

Otherwise you can't really pinpoint a player you know for sure will mesh with him. We've had a lot of candidates tried out there already.

I don't remember Hubby playing with Rhino. In theory Hoffman fits the bill as well, on a cheap 1 year contract. Maybe Ekblad becomes available for cheap on the last year of his deal.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Kuzmenko will get 43.points in 71 games next year.

I’ll put $20 on the over for that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Mangiapane outproduced Backlund (by a whopping 1 point in Mang's 75 games vs. Backlund's 82). Not sure why Backlund is getting a pass in this assessment - as he just put up what I believe was one of his weaker seasons in the last half decade.

Guess it all comes down to the 200 feet of ice, and who you see as a driver.

Backlund has been a consistent line driver who puts up 40 points a season and has intangibles out the wazoo.

Last year 39 points - check
2nd on the team in xGF% behind linemate Coleman - check

Now Mangiapane is good too ... play driving wise, but he also plays with Backlund.

I usually defend Mangiapane to the people that pile on, but Backlund has always elevated players he's played with, and I'm not sure that's the case with Mangiapane.

I don't see anything in Backlund's season that's disappointing at all. A point under his checkmark production, but now in his mid 40s is a solid season from a vet.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Guess it all comes down to the 200 feet of ice, and who you see as a driver.

Backlund has been a consistent line driver who puts up 40 points a season and has intangibles out the wazoo.

Last year 39 points - check
2nd on the team in xGF% behind linemate Coleman - check

Now Mangiapane is good too ... play driving wise, but he also plays with Backlund.

I usually defend Mangiapane to the people that pile on, but Backlund has always elevated players he's played with, and I'm not sure that's the case with Mangiapane.

I don't see anything in Backlund's season that's disappointing at all. A point under his checkmark production, but now in his mid 40s is a solid season from a vet.

Backlund also fell off at the end of the year while he was playing injured, too. What was it, one point in the last fourteen games?

He was better than his final statline IMO.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

I think Mangiapane gets moved this offseason. We have a lot of young wingers needing spots.

Huberdeau - Sharangovich - Coronato
Zary - Kadri - Kuzmenko
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
*** - Rooney - Pospisil

If they see Sharangovich as more of a winger than that takes away another winger spot.

Not sure how they see Zary, winger or center.

Either way I don’t see the Flames bringing in a UFA winger unless they move Mangiapane and another one out.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Guess it all comes down to the 200 feet of ice, and who you see as a driver.

Backlund has been a consistent line driver who puts up 40 points a season and has intangibles out the wazoo.

Last year 39 points - check
2nd on the team in xGF% behind linemate Coleman - check

Now Mangiapane is good too ... play driving wise, but he also plays with Backlund.

I usually defend Mangiapane to the people that pile on, but Backlund has always elevated players he's played with, and I'm not sure that's the case with Mangiapane.

I don't see anything in Backlund's season that's disappointing at all. A point under his checkmark production, but now in his mid 40s is a solid season from a vet.

Mid 40s!!!?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Mid 40s!!!?

points, not age.

[Wastedyouth]

Oh, haha. Reading comprehension fail!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Oh, haha. Reading comprehension fail!

On me ... wasn't all that clear.

[Sylvanfan]

The thing with Mangiapane will be how hard is he to move with the full season salary owed? Even if you retain 50%, it's still a heavier ticket over a full season. Whereas at the deadline your 50% after paying 70% and getting a broker to eat 370'ish in cash to hold another 50 to get the remaining cap hit to 1.45.

So as much as you want to open spots now, that's still a hard contract to move. I think he'll score in a contract year, so I'd try and build his value up to move him. Otherwise you're giving away a player that could have returned something, and I don't see him as an addition by subtraction type of problem.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The thing with Mangiapane will be how hard is he to move with the full season salary owed? Even if you retain 50%, it's still a heavier ticket over a full season. Whereas at the deadline your 50% after paying 70% and getting a broker to eat 370'ish in cash to hold another 50 to get the remaining cap hit to 1.45.

So as much as you want to open spots now, that's still a hard contract to move. I think he'll score in a contract year, so I'd try and build his value up to move him. Otherwise you're giving away a player that could have returned something, and I don't see him as an addition by subtraction type of problem.

Presuming that a Markstrom trade will also require retention, that's two slots used up which would constrict future options at the TDL with only one more retention slot open. It's a difficult situation.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Presuming that a Markstrom trade will also require retention, that's two slots used up which would constrict future options at the TDL with only one more retention slot open. It's a difficult situation.

I still don’t think they retain on Markstrom. My guess is it will be a contract coming back to make the cap work.

No point in trading any of the upcoming UFAs this summer unless someone overpays. Only UFA I’d want them to potentially re-sign is Sharangovich

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Presuming that a Markstrom trade will also require retention, that's two slots used up which would constrict future options at the TDL with only one more retention slot open. It's a difficult situation.

Exactly, if you've burned up 2 slots before puck drop what do you lose with potential moves for Sherangovich or Kuzmenko?

If you need to retain to move Markstrom, than you need to try and keep as much flexibility as long as you can on the other slots.

[GioforPM]

I’d move Mangiapane and then reunite the Kidri line, go with Huberdeau, Sharangovich and Kuzmenko (he has had some chemistry with both) and then put Coronato in Mangiapane’s spot.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Cap is going up next season, maybe some teams don't use it all.

Is retention used a lot in offseason trades, or it more of a in season tool?