[News] Flames put Byron and Raymond on waivers. UPD: Byron claimed by Habs

[dammage79]

Didn't think there was room for Byron when they re-signed him. There isn't. Raymond has done nothing to earn a spot. Kind of disappointing but he's done this to himself.

Treliving has some work to do.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet but...

This bodes well for Treliving as a GM because he has no ego whatsoever attached to previous decisions that he made to fill out a roster. Setoguchi signs...gone after 20 games because he's completely ineffective.

Trades for Drew Shore...gives him a chance to be a player on the NHL team and Shore doesn't take advantage. Puts him on waivers with the risk of losing him even though he traded an asset to get him in the first place.

Signs Raymond to a 3 year deal...starts off first year ok, but gradually becomes the worst player on the team by a fair margin (including call ups). Gives him a chance next training camp to come back ready to contribute...has a poor camp and is put on waivers for the purpose of reassignment.

BT doesn't care at all that some of his moves might not look that great in hindsight. He's all about the present and, to a lesser extent, the future. He puts his ego and public perception aside for the benefit of the team.

So when people eventually call for Treliving to get rid of Engelland or Bollig this year, just know that if BT keeps them, it's because he sees value in what they bring to the table.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Didn't think there was room for Byron when they re-signed him. There isn't. Raymond has done nothing to earn a spot. Kind of disappointing but he's done this to himself.

Treliving has some work to do.

I think other than dealing with the goaltending situation, he's done everything he needs to for now. Care to elaborate on what you think he needs to do?

[heep223]

There's so much chatter and news I can't keep up with CP for the first time in months! Man I love October. Hockey and football are back, baseball playoffs.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I think other than dealing with the goaltending situation, he's done everything he needs to for now. Care to elaborate on what you think he needs to do?

The goaltending, thinning out the fw ranks by two at minimum, it is creating a jam down in the AHL now too. The addition of Freddie Hamilton didn't help.

EDIT: Must trade at least 1 D man too.

[Stay Golden]

Raymond on waivers outstanding news, this management group is definitely pointing the team in the right direction.
Main change from this time last year to now.
Hamilton, Bennett, Frolik.
Smid, Glencross, Raymond.
Its not even a close comparison.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

When push comes to shove, who would you rather have? Paul Byron or Micheal Ferland?

Irrelevant!!

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The goaltending, thinning out the fw ranks by two at minimum, it is creating a jam down in the AHL now too. The addition of Freddie Hamilton didn't help.

EDIT: Must trade at least 1 D man too.

I think competition for ice time in the minors is probably healthy too. If you can't hack the competition at that level, how in the heck are you going to do it at the NHL level?

Plus, you're forgetting about the ECHL as a development place for guys that need to work on some fundamentals. Kulak spent a good chunk of time in that league last year, and now look where he is.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet but...

This bodes well for Treliving as a GM because he has no ego whatsoever attached to previous decisions that he made to fill out a roster. Setoguchi signs...gone after 20 games because he's completely ineffective.

Trades for Drew Shore...gives him a chance to be a player on the NHL team and Shore doesn't take advantage. Puts him on waivers with the risk of losing him even though he traded an asset to get him in the first place.

Signs Raymond to a 3 year deal...starts off first year ok, but gradually becomes the worst player on the team by a fair margin (including call ups). Gives him a chance next training camp to come back ready to contribute...has a poor camp and is put on waivers for the purpose of reassignment.

BT doesn't care at all that some of his moves might not look that great in hindsight. He's all about the present and, to a lesser extent, the future. He puts his ego and public perception aside for the benefit of the team.

So when people eventually call for Treliving to get rid of Engelland or Bollig this year, just know that if BT keeps them, it's because he sees value in what they bring to the table.

quoted for absolute truth

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Agreed, the goaltending needs to be figured out "soon-ish". Everything else is actually the opposite of a problem, it's a good thing. Tones of competition, the right players in the line up as it sits right now, with a handful of good options, especially up front that can step in and continue to develop as needed.

[morgin]

Just wanted to chime in - I know a lot of you are excited for hockey reasons that Raymond was waived. I did get the chance to meet him at the Stajan's NICU fundraiser last January and he is really an amazingly quality dude. Him and his wife had contributed a couple cool personal gifts to the silent auction and he was shaking hands with everyone and just seemed genuinely interested in making sure everyone was having a good time (which, to be fair, the rest of the team that was there was also doing). Seemed like he fit in well with the team's culture. As much as right now it's probably a good hockey decision, it's a negative from a community perspective to lose a guy like that off the team. Hopefully he finds his game in Stockton and comes back to earn his contract.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet but...

This bodes well for Treliving as a GM because he has no ego whatsoever attached to previous decisions that he made to fill out a roster. Setoguchi signs...gone after 20 games because he's completely ineffective.

Trades for Drew Shore...gives him a chance to be a player on the NHL team and Shore doesn't take advantage. Puts him on waivers with the risk of losing him even though he traded an asset to get him in the first place.

Signs Raymond to a 3 year deal...starts off first year ok, but gradually becomes the worst player on the team by a fair margin (including call ups). Gives him a chance next training camp to come back ready to contribute...has a poor camp and is put on waivers for the purpose of reassignment.

BT doesn't care at all that some of his moves might not look that great in hindsight. He's all about the present and, to a lesser extent, the future. He puts his ego and public perception aside for the benefit of the team.

So when people eventually call for Treliving to get rid of Engelland or Bollig this year, just know that if BT keeps them, it's because he sees value in what they bring to the table.

Absolutely bang on.

However, I'll say this as well, a lot of that likely has to do with Brian Burke and Ken King.

They've created an atmosphere of acceptance. Mistakes will happen and you wont be crucified for making one as long as you act accordingly and attempt to fix it.

If you take an action but later deem that to have been an error and move to fix it then all is well and I think you have to commend upper management for creating that type of atmosphere.

Unlike the Oilers whose arrogance and egos dictate that there can never even be a question that mistake has ever been made.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by morgin

Just wanted to chime in - I know a lot of you are excited for hockey reasons that Raymond was waived. I did get the chance to meet him at the Stajan's NICU fundraiser last January and he is really an amazingly quality dude. Him and his wife had contributed a couple cool personal gifts to the silent auction and he was shaking hands with everyone and just seemed genuinely interested in making sure everyone was having a good time (which, to be fair, the rest of the team that was there was also doing). Seemed like he fit in well with the team's culture. As much as right now it's probably a good hockey decision, it's a negative from a community perspective to lose a guy like that off the team. Hopefully he finds his game in Stockton and comes back to earn his contract.

Credit where it's due. Not all pro athletes do community stuff willingly.

I'd definitely welcome him back if he proves himself. Fact is though, he has shown time and again that he doesn't belong on the big club.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by morgin

Just wanted to chime in - I know a lot of you are excited for hockey reasons that Raymond was waived. I did get the chance to meet him at the Stajan's NICU fundraiser last January and he is really an amazingly quality dude. Him and his wife had contributed a couple cool personal gifts to the silent auction and he was shaking hands with everyone and just seemed genuinely interested in making sure everyone was having a good time (which, to be fair, the rest of the team that was there was also doing). Seemed like he fit in well with the team's culture. As much as right now it's probably a good hockey decision, it's a negative from a community perspective to lose a guy like that off the team. Hopefully he finds his game in Stockton and comes back to earn his contract.

The majority of NHL players are pretty good dudes off the ice in fact I know some guys that swear Kevin Bieksa is a great guy. Fan hate on the internet has got a little over the top to the point of being tasteless at times and I guess the next question is which player on the roster is going to replace him as the whipping boy? Not sure who it is but chances are he will also be a quality guy just trying to make a living playing hockey like Raymond.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The goaltending, thinning out the fw ranks by two at minimum, it is creating a jam down in the AHL now too. The addition of Freddie Hamilton didn't help.

The goaltending is a worry because 3 goalies is not ideal...but the forwards will probably sort themselves out.

Over the course of the season 24 different forwards played a game for the big club last year, the depth is needed. Personally I would rather our young talented players on the farm need to compete, and get to play with, other young talented players. Keeps them sharp and forces them to work hard and learn from each other to develop.

Assuming that the 3 guys assigned today actually go down to the farm team it shakes out as:

Poirier - Granlund - Klimchuk
Agostino - Arnold - Byron
Raymond - Shore - Hathaway
Elson - Grant - Carroll
VanBrabrant - Hamilton - H.Smith

The entire top 9 is made up of guys that I would have no concerns with calling up to play an NHL game, that will only help them all get better. Guys like Lomberg, Heard, and Blair probably end up in the ECHL.

[CSharp]

Byron's got potential. If it wasn't for his size, I think he would've been a shoe-in. Just happy Raymond is on waiver and hopes he will be claimed by another team.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

Absolutely bang on.

However, I'll say this as well, a lot of that likely has to do with Brian Burke and Ken King.

They've created an atmosphere of acceptance. Mistakes will happen and you wont be crucified for making one as long as you act accordingly and attempt to fix it.

If you take an action but later deem that to have been an error and move to fix it then all is well and I think you have to commend upper management for creating that type of atmosphere.

Unlike the Oilers whose arrogance and egos dictate that there can never even be a question that mistake has ever been made.

This franchise started to turn it around the day Burke insulated himself and hockey operations from the rest of the organization.

Tubby McBlowhard jokes are still funny, but the only thing more significant than the culture change of the Franchise off the ice has been the culture change on the ice.

[442scotty]

I expect Arnold will be coming up shortly... Its a contract year for him, He never got a shot in preseason thanks to Gio and he's Johnny's buddy... That's my guess

[Enoch Root]

Great post, Cali.

Disappointed to see Byron waived - love the guy's compete level and I think he provides a huge spark for the team when he plays. However, the bottom line is that the team needs to get bigger and as Resolute said, Ferland essentially took his spot.

As for Raymond, good guy but he simply didn't earn a spot. It can be a cruel business at times, but they get well compensated for that.

My guess is that Smid is very close and they don't want to put him on IR. So they waived these two instead.

Granlund - sitting in first call-up position, I would think. And the fact is that he will get more ice-time in Stockton (and creates more room here) by going down for now.

Ortio: the fact that he wasn't put on waivers speaks volumes. If he plays well, he is here to stay and they will find a solution with one of the other two (I still think Hiller is the odd man out). If on the other hand, Ortio struggles, waiving him after that fact shouldn't be a concern.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I think other than dealing with the goaltending situation, he's done everything he needs to for now. Care to elaborate on what you think he needs to do?

For one thing, putting Raymond on waivers doesn't accomplish anything. At this time tomorrow, him and his cap hit are still part of the team. And he just became that much harder to trade.