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Old 05-10-2024, 07:54 PM   #161
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Our “core” on the man advantage, with Kuzmenko and without.

PP GF/60

Without (Beginning of season-Feb 1)

Huberdeau - 4.73 - 302nd
Sharangovich - 4.6 - 308th
Kadri - 4.94 - 294th
Weegar - 5.71 - 241st

With (Feb 2 - end of season):

Kuzmenko - 16.32 - 6th in NHL
Huberdeau - 14.19 - 7th in NHL
Kadri - 13.44 - 8th
Sharangovich - 13.27 - 9th
Weegar - 12.77 - 14th

Expected PP GF/60:

Kuzmenko: 11.34
Huberdeau: 10.44
Kadri: 10.27
Sharangovich: 10.58
Weegar: 9.18.

I can’t argue it’s ALL Kuzmenko, but it seems quite clear he’s the catalyst.
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Do you have analytics to share?
I would, but they're imbedded behind my eyeballs.
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Why are those stats under a Canucks logo? Is this a snapshot from the time of the trade?
Yes it was a snapshot from the time of the trade. Funny how he chose to share that card and not this one (both from Jan. 31 prior to his play with Calgary).

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Can’t skate can’t hit. One dimension. Should be an easy sell, and buy a better pick with retention.
One question. Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone?
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Old 05-11-2024, 07:58 AM   #165
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One question. Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone?
Prob once when he was a Catepillar....
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Old 05-11-2024, 08:03 AM   #166
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One question. Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone?
Nobody on the Flames. Fawns over the Oilers though.

There’s nothing worse than a closet Oilers fan pretending to be a Flames fan on CP. They’re so pathetic.
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Everyone knows why you hate him and it has nothing to do with his hockey performance. Maybe just avoid Kuzmenko topics.
Letting things go is a life skill, he obviously hasn't figured that out yet.
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Old 05-11-2024, 02:24 PM   #168
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ECHL goalies.
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Old 05-11-2024, 02:27 PM   #169
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Punishing the agent who convinced him to waive.
That makes no sense at all, considering he went to a team with better opportunity and scored at an insane rate. He wasn’t getting over 5.5m if he stayed in Vancouver, if he continues to score the way he did he could be looking at a 7m deal for 4-5 years from someone. An odd thing to say.
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Blaster86 is a Canucks fan. I am pretty sure it is illegal for him to not roast the Flames when the opportunity arises.
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Yes it was a snapshot from the time of the trade. Funny how he chose to share that card and not this one (both from Jan. 31 prior to his play with Calgary).

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752857010146594952
You know who else was one of the slowest skaters in the league?

Alexei Kovalev.

Never one known for his defense, Kovalev still played 1316 games over 19 seasons, finishing with 1029 points and a career PPG of 0.781. Kovalev scored 100+ goals for three different teams (New York, Pittsburgh, Montreal).

With 120 points in 153 games, Kuzmenko’s career PPG sits at 0.784.

I wouldn’t trade Alex Kovalev if I didn’t have to.
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You know who else was one of the slowest skaters in the league?

Alexei Kovalev.

Never one known for his defense, Kovalev still played 1316 games over 19 seasons, finishing with 1029 points and a career PPG of 0.781. Kovalev scored 100+ goals for three different teams (New York, Pittsburgh, Montreal).

With 120 points in 153 games, Kuzmenko’s career PPG sits at 0.784.

I wouldn’t trade Alex Kovalev if I didn’t have to.
Good point. Speed is helpful in a lot of situations, but it is just one tool a player can have. It's more about how those tools add up and you can take speed out of the equation, and the sum of everything else still makes an effective player.

People like to focus on speed because it's flashy and stands out, and you obviously need some fast skaters on the team, but not every player needs to be. It's like when a defenseman has a howitzer of a slap shot. It's a nice tool to have and stands out in the highlights, but it isn't necessarily better than a defenseman who can thread a nice wrister through traffic and get it on or close to the net.
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Good point. Speed is helpful in a lot of situations, but it is just one tool a player can have. It's more about how those tools add up and you can take speed out of the equation, and the sum of everything else still makes an effective player.

People like to focus on speed because it's flashy and stands out, and you obviously need some fast skaters on the team, but not every player needs to be. It's like when a defenseman has a howitzer of a slap shot. It's a nice tool to have and stands out in the highlights, but it isn't necessarily better than a defenseman who can thread a nice wrister through traffic and get it on or close to the net.
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Good point. Speed is helpful in a lot of situations, but it is just one tool a player can have. It's more about how those tools add up and you can take speed out of the equation, and the sum of everything else still makes an effective player.
I always think of Matt Lombardi, the skating and speed of a superstar and very little else to round out his game. Had a couple decent years, but not a particularly long career.
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I always think of Matt Lombardi, the skating and speed of a superstar and very little else to round out his game. Had a couple decent years, but not a particularly long career.
He may have been a mid hockey player, but the legend of Matthew Lombardi’s handsomeness persists to this day among lady Flame fans.

Lord, the trail of bodies that must be in that man’s wake.
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I always think of Matt Lombardi, the skating and speed of a superstar and very little else to round out his game. Had a couple decent years, but not a particularly long career.
The length of career was more to do with concussions
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The length of career was more to do with concussions
Yes, but even at his peak, Lombo was a 50 point centre, and despite several extended auditions, he couldn’t stick with prime Iggy.

His skating could’ve made him a perennial All Star - just didn’t have the hands/vision.
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There are a lot of speedsters that don't have the hands to actually stickhandle or shoot well when going at top speed. The ones that do are the ones that also tend to get drafted in the top 3 or 5 of a draft.

A lot of them also don't have the hockey sense to know when to slow things down. It's just full speed all the time leading to a lot of north-south play. Kuzmenko might never be the first one to gain the zone, but having a player who can be methodical when he gets there, isn't a bad thing.
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I always think of Matt Lombardi, the skating and speed of a superstar and very little else to round out his game. Had a couple decent years, but not a particularly long career.
Not me, I think of Rico Fata.
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Not me, I think of Rico Fata.
I think of the Oilers taking best skater in the draft Steve Kelly over local guys Shane Doan and Jarome Iginla because they couldn't play Oilers hockey.
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