[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I'm saying, imo, we let go of a capable coach who was doing a good job, to chase something that might not materialize, another effective coach.

I saw somewhere awhile ago, that one of Edmontons biggest problems is their coaches turnover, whereas other teams that have gone through rebuilds with the same coaches are much better(obviously).

I just don't want to fall into the coach carousel cycle, like Edmonton, and I really don't understand why Hartley was let go.

Right now it's not an issue but we have to hire the right coach. If we take a chance on a young inexperienced guy and he fails miserably (ala Dallas Eakins), we'll be joining Oilers territory when we bring on another coach in 1-1.5 years. For this reason, Boudreau would be a phenomenal add as you know he won't go anywhere for 3-4 years, minimum.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I went to the game that night. The fella I went with is friends is a Flames Alumni. The 3 of us were chatting before the game. The Alumni told he and I flat out that was the case. He also then told some funny stories about his time playing.

Confirmed.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Confirmed.

I didn't know you were a Flames alumni!

[dissentowner]

So is Gelinas staying? The most incompetent part of the coaching staff?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I didn't know you were a Flames alumni!

I'm Paul Baxter.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This might be driven by the disagreement that BT had with Hartley over Hamilton.

Despite Hamilton's career year in scoring he was not the catalyst the Flames needed to step up to being a solid playoff team.

Hamilton was signed as a top 2 d-man and was supposed to be one of BT's "Best Move of his career"

Hartley started Hamilton as top 2 but then moved him down to #5 for most of the year.

It seemed to me that the Hamilton supporters were pushing for more Ice time and a bigger role for Hamilton all year.

After the trade deadline with Russell and Wideman out Hamilton still did not get much of a bigger role.

Only at the very end did Hamilton get paired with Brodie and Brodie's immaculate +/- took a hit (-9) the last 17 games.

Never miss a chance to beat your drum. One day someone might just agree with your insanity.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Absolutely love it and I am a fan of what Hartley accomplished here and of the man himself.

But this shows a management group that is unwilling to compromise the level of excellence that it demands of the team. The entire organization was just put on notice. Expectations are high. Futility is unacceptable.

Outstanding.

Interesting perspective, but too narrow an application.

If this were to be the case, then how long before Treliving is held accountable for failing to address the goaltending situation?

If we take that the organization is unwilling to compromise, then the GM has to be accountable for the biggest failing of the team last year - terrible goaltending.


I am not a fan of this at all and believe that Hartley is being used as a scapegoat for the failing of the GM.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by domenichelly

• No one coach could win without a starting goalie and roster we had.
• We had a lot of bad contracts and average players with low hockey skills
• Our team is not young as many can think

It is enogh to say tha GM job wan done bad? Treliving got really young team after Feaster with lowest salary in NHL and on that package team got playoffs. Before this year's deadline we had 5th salary cap in NHL and finished 12th. Is it for coaches? We had 1 full year to get starting goalie, 1st RW and 2nd scoring line. Whole year was spent for nothing by GM...

You're all over the map, dude. We got to the playoffs in 2015 with virtually the same roster as 2016, including the same goalies. We have the same bad contracts from year to year. And as far as average age goes, we were 23rd in the NHL last year, and 20th this.

So, you are blaming Treliving for having "1 full year" to get a starting goalie - when he already had goalies that got them to the playoffs the year before, to get a first line RW - when he already had a RW that had huge success with Monahan and Gaudreau - and for failing to purchase a second line - when we are still an organization at the start of a rebuild. Sam Bennett is one of those pieces.

The problem I would suggest, is that our unexpected playoff run in 2015 left you with inflated expectations.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm Paul Baxter.

Paul Baxter-Birney?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

and I'm just saying, I hope it doesn't turn into.

So it's agreed we are not cycling through capable coaches.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I went to the game that night. The fella I went with is friends with a Flames Alumni. The 3 of us were chatting before the game. The Alumni told he and I flat out that was the case. He also then told some funny stories about his time playing.

Was it Rhett?

[Strange Brew]

I was not a big Hartley fan from day one but I do feel for the guy a little bit. He was dealt a cruddy hand with the goaltending this year. Scotty Bowman could not have won with the goaltending this team received.

Hartley was not Burke's guy and I never had the feeling Burke was a supporter. Not too sure on BT's feelings but I guess we know now.

I believe there are better coaches out there (Boudreau) so I am on board with the decision. Doesn't D. Sutter need a contract?

As for the Super Bowl incident, I put that more on the team's leadership than on the coach.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So it's agreed we are not cycling through capable coaches.

Yeah but we MIGHT. You never know.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

How often to players like their coaches? And how often are coaches that have any success are also liked by their players.

Seems to me all the best coaches that get the best results aren't liked. That said, is Quenville (spelling?) well liked? He seems good

[killer_carlson]

I just hope someone has the guts to ask Treliving what accountability that the GM should bear for not addressing the goaltending situation.

[domenichelly]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Crazy that people think our GM should be fired after two years on the job crushing trade after trade, while Hartley got the shaft after one good season out of four.

GM job can be judged where the team was and where it is now. Not by standings position but mostly by roster. I still think that 2 years is enough to understand who can be you #1 goalie and other problems. But all he says is: we need to wait, we will see and so on... I think we can buy him window for birthday )

But my main question for Treliving is - what kind fo team he wants to see. Feaster had a plan. It can be good or bad but he had it. He wanted fast players with good hockey skills or good skills potential. Some kind of Golden State Warriors in NHL may be...

Coach can work only with players he had. If he do not have good quality players than you cant ask him to make miracle every year...

P.S. I am not Hnat. He was player i liked when i was young )

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This might be driven by the disagreement that BT had with Hartley over Hamilton.

Despite Hamilton's career year in scoring he was not the catalyst the Flames needed to step up to being a solid playoff team.

Hamilton was signed as a top 2 d-man and was supposed to be one of BT's "Best Move of his career"

Hartley started Hamilton as top 2 but then moved him down to #5 for most of the year.

It seemed to me that the Hamilton supporters were pushing for more Ice time and a bigger role for Hamilton all year.

After the trade deadline with Russell and Wideman out Hamilton still did not get much of a bigger role.

Only at the very end did Hamilton get paired with Brodie and Brodie's immaculate +/- took a hit (-9) the last 17 games.

Somewhere in here you might have a valid point. Specifically, I don't think BT was happy with how Hartley handled Hamilton.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Treliving stated in a year end interview he wasn't happy with the system the Flames were playing. This firing isn't a surprise to me. Although, if Trevliving really didn't like Hartley's system, he shouldn't have extended him and he probably should have let him go after that terrible start.

[wingmaker]

goal tending was only truly terrible in the first two months. Doesn't explain why we sucked in January when Ramo was playing well but the power play was putrid.

[Toonage]

Not a single mention of this firing on the Sportsnet.ca home page. Crazy

Yes its on the NHL page, but figured this would be up front as the biggest news currently in play