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Bourque's Twin · 02-15-2016, 05:49 PM

I know from a very reliable source that Ben Bishop and Jimmy Howard can be grabbed. Would either interest you guys? If so, what would the Flames need to trade?

Flames Draft Watcher · 02-15-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I know from a very reliable source that Ben Bishop and Jimmy Howard can be grabbed. Would either interest you guys? If so, what would the Flames need to trade?

Not a huge fan of Howard. Only way we take him is if the Wings take a salary dump back like Wideman or Raymond. Even then I dunno.

Bishop has a NMC so he'd have to approve a trade. They'd probably want a fair amount for him. I'd be interested depending on price.

Ashasx · 02-15-2016, 05:55 PM

Howard is trash and on an extended contract. Don't know why anyone would want that anchor.

Super-Rye · 02-15-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I know from a very reliable source that Ben Bishop and Jimmy Howard can be grabbed. Would either interest you guys? If so, what would the Flames need to trade?

Jimmy Howard is a name that has popped up a little bit the last few weeks and isn't someone I'd be opposed to getting. However, there's a lot of risk with taking on his deal and lately he has looked no better than either Hiller or Ramo. The guy looked like hot garbage today against the Isles. Perhaps a change of scenery to a team where he has more certainty on his #1 status would allow him to rebound. Still, pretty risky.

Bishop I'd acquire in a heart beat. Him and Andersen might be the only 2 legitimate #1 goaltenders on the market when everything is all said and done.

JurassicTunga12 · 02-15-2016, 06:02 PM

Yes to Bishop, no to Howard.

I honestly can see one Bishop or Reimer being Flames at some point. Either deadline(Reimer more likely, I assume) or in the offseason.

AC · 02-15-2016, 06:04 PM

Bishop scares me because he reminds me of Hiller in allowing goals due to relying on positioning.

He looked awful when Tampa came here. If I recall correctly we hit a couple crossbars and Hamilton nailed the knob of his stick where Bishop didn't even see the puck at all. I'm not a fan of his style at all.

MarkGio · 02-15-2016, 06:15 PM

Both can't be worse than Hiller or Ramo

getbak · 02-15-2016, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

Bishop scares me because he reminds me of Hiller in allowing goals due to relying on positioning.

He looked awful when Tampa came here. If I recall correctly we hit a couple crossbars and Hamilton nailed the knob of his stick where Bishop didn't even see the puck at all. I'm not a fan of his style at all.

I agree.

I'd be especially leery of him because of the proposed reduction in goalie equipment size for next season. That's likely going to hurt the positional, blocking goalies more than the athletic ones.

The one advantage that Bishop has over Hiller is he's so big, that even with smaller equipment, he'll still cover a lot of the net.

I hope Treliving stays far away from Howard. Too much money for too long.

Caged Great · 02-15-2016, 06:25 PM

Howard, Reimer, and Bernier are all bottom 10 starting goalies. Andersen and Bishop are in the middle of the pack. It would be another group in the stop gap hotel. Bishop and Andersen are largely helped by the fact that Tampa and Anaheim have really good teams in front of them. Vasilevski and Gibson are the superior goaltenders.

If the acquisition cost is free or close to free, then it's fine. I'd rather go out and sign two of Raanta/Ward/Enroth than spend actual assets on any of those guys.

GioforPM · 02-15-2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

Bishop scares me because he reminds me of Hiller in allowing goals due to relying on positioning.

He looked awful when Tampa came here. If I recall correctly we hit a couple crossbars and Hamilton nailed the knob of his stick where Bishop didn't even see the puck at all. I'm not a fan of his style at all.

His style is favoured by most goalies in the league for a reason - it works.

Split98 · 02-15-2016, 06:50 PM

Reimer
Ramo
Raanta
Bishop
Howard

Is the order of goalies I'd want next year. And besides Raanta, I'd only want one of the rest listed.

Samonadreau · 02-15-2016, 06:54 PM

If smaller goalie equipment happens, Bishop's play will drop with it. The guy is a moose carcus that sits in front of the net.

GreenLantern2814 · 02-15-2016, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

Howard, Reimer, and Bernier are all bottom 10 starting goalies. Andersen and Bishop are in the middle of the pack. It would be another group in the stop gap hotel. Bishop and Andersen are largely helped by the fact that Tampa and Anaheim have really good teams in front of them. Vasilevski and Gibson are the superior goaltenders.

If the acquisition cost is free or close to free, then it's fine. I'd rather go out and sign two of Raanta/Ward/Enroth than spend actual assets on any of those guys.

Reimer has a .926 save % and a 2.29 GAA in 29 games for the Leafs. He seems a low cost have l gamble.

Illuminaughty · 02-15-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

His style is favoured by most goalies in the league for a reason - it works.

I fail to see how it's "favoured"? I'm sure if you'd ask bishop he'd would rather be an athletic goalie, then just a shot blocker.

The other question then becomes, if they change the goaltending equipment regulations, how well will that style fair.

I much prefer athletic goalies like Kipper to big shot blockers, shooters can adjust to a big flopper easier then crazy athleticism.

Monahan For Mayor · 02-15-2016, 07:31 PM

I've always been worried about trading for Bishop of goalie gear rules are changed.

PepsiFree · 02-15-2016, 07:38 PM

The only reason I would be wary about Bishop is cost-to-acquire.

This is one of the top ten goaltenders in the league. Bishop is the sole reason that Tampa even has a shot at the playoffs thanks to his outstanding play while they couldn't figure out how to put it in the back of the next at the beginning of the season. He's in Vezina conversation right now, and it's not the first time, it won't be the last.

Cost wise, Reimer seems like the most proven/lowest cost option. Plays REALLY well behind a terrible team. Could prove to be incredible in combination with our defence if they put it together.

No to Howard and Ward though. Too past their prime.

Raanta/Andersen are interesting but somewhat unknown as far as what you'll get. It's worrisome.

blender · 02-15-2016, 07:40 PM

edit: misread CG's post. He's right on.

Enoch Root · 02-15-2016, 07:43 PM

I think the issue of goalie equipment is being overblown - he is among the biggest goalies now, and he'll still be among the biggest goalies when the equipment is smaller.

Everyone will shrink by essentially the same amount.

Sandman · 02-15-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the issue of goalie equipment is being overblown - he is among the biggest goalies now, and he'll still be among the biggest goalies when the equipment is smaller.

Everyone will shrink by essentially the same amount.

I tend to agree with this-the bigger goalies will have smaller equipment, and their stats may suffer due to that-but the smaller goalies will have smaller equipment too.

T@T · 02-15-2016, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the issue of goalie equipment is being overblown - he is among the biggest goalies now, and he'll still be among the biggest goalies when the equipment is smaller.

Everyone will shrink by essentially the same amount.

I agree but the real athletic goalies will come to the front. but likely the bigger athletic ones.