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Old 04-28-2016, 10:25 AM   #21
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To have a triumphal arch, don't you also need a precedent set in, you know, actual historical triumph? I mean we did beat the Prussians twice, just like the French, and they have an Arch of Triumph. That would be pretty cool actually - a monument to testify the killing of hundreds of thousands of Teutons.
Is the triumphal arch police going to halt the project due to non-compliance with a major military victory?

Why can't it be an anniversary arch celebrating the 150th Anniversary of 1867?
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:26 AM   #22
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To have a triumphal arch, don't you also need a precedent set in, you know, actual historical triumph? I mean we did beat the Prussians twice, just like the French, and they have an Arch of Triumph. That would be pretty cool actually - a monument to testify the killing of hundreds of thousands of Teutons.
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Is the triumphal arch police going to halt the project due to non-compliance with a major military victory?

Why can't it be an anniversary arch celebrating the 150th Anniversary of 1867?
Calgary needs its Austerlitz.
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:28 AM   #24
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Its brilliant if you think about it. Saves on maintenance costs.

"Your statue is all rusty."

- No it isnt. Its supposed to look that way.

Also, have you seen our big blue wheel?
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:46 AM   #25
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Most cities have a Triumphal arch. Surprised that tradition didn't carry over. There's one in Central Park but I think that's the only place I've seen one in North America.
Those are all over Europe because they celebrate war victories, conquering other countries, emperors coming back after having killed thousands of people, etc.

It doesn't really vibe seeing how we have Memorial Trail and we aren't glorifying that sort of thing.

Besides, the neighbors have a triumphal turd.

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Old 04-28-2016, 10:50 AM   #26
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I actually quite like poppy plaza, I think the rust works because it's by the river, reminds me of Normandy actually.
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:51 AM   #27
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I like Poppy Plaza too. It's the taggers that are making it look crappy.
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:53 AM   #28
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Yup. love the plaza as well. Think it looks great until the taggers get to it. That exhibit should be covered in security cameras so that when a tagger tags, they itdentify him/her, track him/her down, and then tie him/her up at the exhibit so we can all tag them.
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:56 AM   #29
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Looks like it needs a bit of Tremclad.

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I too like Poppy Plaza (the cor-ten works in the sense of recalling war and destroyed machinery), but as Table5 said it needs the Parks building on it to get a cafe/restaurant or something in it to draw people to the site. Almost every time I go over with the kids with a picnic or something we have the place to ourselves, and get the odd skateboarding group through doing their thing.
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Old 04-28-2016, 11:06 AM   #31
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There are so many wasteful and stupid art pieces in Calgary, there are some good artists here but some of the stuff in our city is just embarrassing imo. This rusty crap just goes into that list.
There are a lot of good artists but the constantly outsource art work from outside Calgary/Canada
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Old 04-28-2016, 11:15 AM   #32
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Poppy Plaza on memorial is effing hideous:

Are those Angry Birds "tagged" on that thing? I sure hope so.
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I don't mind the rusted sculpture look, but I agree that it can be overused and misused. Most places go with copper as their aged metal sculpture medium, but we don't have the humidity to get to that awesome green copper in a reasonable timeframe.

Poppy Plaza is a little strange. I find it a nice space in itself, but right at the center of a busy intersection and busy bike/pedestrian paths doesn't make it the sort of solemn, contemplative experience that a war memorial should be. But I do really like the red lit birch-tree effect there, and the inner-lit lighting. It's really at its best after dark.

Something I like about the metal parts of the Poppy Plaza is that it's heavily reminiscent of brutalism. And Calgary's got an awesome history with brutalism, but sadly a lot of those structures (like Centennial Gardens) are reaching the end of their lifespan. I'm going to guess that in general, the people who find Poppy Plaza really ugly also hate Centennial Gardens, the old Planetarium, and other brutalist sites around Calgary.
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Centennial Gardens - ie. the fortress of crack users and street walkers?
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Are those Angry Birds "tagged" on that thing? I sure hope so.
Now that's art.
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Well, yeah, it stops at maximum rust. That's not a good thing if something gets as ugly as possible, then stays there forever.
Exactly, if it keeps rusting, then eventually it will disintegrate into nothing. So artists, please use full-rust steel, so it eventually reaches it's maximum level of aesthetically pleasing at the very end.
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There are a lot of good artists but the constantly outsource art work from outside Calgary/Canada

Sure there are great artist here but why do we need every project to be from Calgary first?

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Old 04-28-2016, 11:45 AM   #38
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2. Regardless of the rusty art there, Poppy plaza badly needs a restaurant/coffee place in the building beside it to make that area work.
Wasn't there a coffee shop in there before? I recall they even had a patio set up during the summer.
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Wasn't there a coffee shop in there before? I recall they even had a patio set up during the summer.
I don't believe so, unless that existed before it was redone into poppy plaza. The first summer of poppy plaza the parks service had folks building wooden canoes inside, looked really cool.
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I remember asking the same question about the use of copper for the west LRT.

People assure me once it rusted (or weathered, whatever) it would look fantastic.

I think it looks terrible, totally opposite of what a 3 year old high tech station should look like.

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