Jay Bouwmeester

[GGG]

As a plus Boumeesters is jumping into the play more. So under a new coach the offensive side of his game may come back but he needs sheltered minutes and a real physical partner. Not something you should say about your highest paid defensemen

Maybe detroit will tank and we can get a pick for him

[moon]

Not surprising that people are crapping on Bouwmeester and overreacting to his play but what does it say about the team when this thread and these comments are made about him and he has likely been one of the better defensemen on the team so far this year.

Bouwmeester hasn't been great but the defense has been a mess overall and outside of Sarich and Brodie (who may only be at the top of the list because of the little time they play) Bouwmeester has been better than the other guys on the team so far this year and certainly last year.

Way too many pylons out there this year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by moon

Not surprising that people are crapping on Bouwmeester and overreacting to his play but what does it say about the team when this thread and these comments are made about him and he has likely been one of the better defensemen on the team so far this year.

Bouwmeester hasn't been great but the defense has been a mess overall and outside of Sarich and Brodie (who may only be at the top of the list because of the little time they play) Bouwmeester has been better than the other guys on the team so far this year and certainly last year.

Way too many pylons out there this year.

Wideman > Bouwmeester

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by moon

Not surprising that people are crapping on Bouwmeester and overreacting to his play but what does it say about the team when this thread and these comments are made about him and he has likely been one of the better defensemen on the team so far this year.

Bouwmeester hasn't been great but the defense has been a mess overall and outside of Sarich and Brodie (who may only be at the top of the list because of the little time they play) Bouwmeester has been better than the other guys on the team so far this year and certainly last year.

Way too many pylons out there this year.

Yep no thread on Gio and he has been beyond brutal for how long? A long time. He needs to go back to 2nd pairing. Butler is useless and should be bottom pairing. Smith was where he should be last night. Sarich is a solid 3rd pairing guy. Brodie at max is a 2nd pairing guy. Wideman is a guy you most certainly do not want on the ice too often except on the PP.

It's a crappy group and one that REALLY needs the forwards to come back and help.

[JazzyFlame]

Truth is, since the departure of Regehr and Phaneuf we have had zero 1st pairing Dmen. Bouwmeester just did'nt work out, not his fault the market over valued him and we won the sweepstakes.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Wideman > Bouwmeester

I would rank them about the same.

Wideman has picked up some assists so that is a positive but he is a pylon in his own end and a disaster with the puck if not shooting it on net (which he seems to do with the accuracy of the much maligned Dion Phaneuf).

I would rank Bouwmeester/Wideman tied for 3rd in terms of performance this year with neither one being overly impressive and both getting failing grades.

Perhaps Wideman gets the benefit of the doubt because this poor play should have been expected of him and Bouwmeester has shown he can play much better.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by moon

Not surprising that people are crapping on Bouwmeester and overreacting to his play but what does it say about the team when this thread and these comments are made about him and he has likely been one of the better defensemen on the team so far this year.

Bouwmeester hasn't been great but the defense has been a mess overall and outside of Sarich and Brodie (who may only be at the top of the list because of the little time they play) Bouwmeester has been better than the other guys on the team so far this year and certainly last year.

Way too many pylons out there this year.

This....pretty clear that these guys aren't comfortable yet. Hopefully they get it together quick or it will be over before they start.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I don't think that's going to happen. I've had very similar complaints as the OP for over two years now. It's not coaching, it's the player.

I've never seen the competitiveness or fire that you'd expect from a so-called top-flight defenseman, and I think it would be wise for the Flames to part ways with him while he still has value.

I still hold out some hope. As another poster pointed out, his style of play was different in Florida. He jumped into the offense more often and just looked a little more energetic. Not that I watched a lot of Florida games back then, but there are some decent highlights from his time there. The same can't be said for his time with the Flames.

Two games and a 6 day training camp doesn't give a new coach a lot of time to work with players that have been indoctrinated by another coach for the past 3 seasons. I am not going to take it as far as those people who last season were still trying to defend Sutter by saying he was still undoing what Keenan did, but surely it take a little time.

Originally Posted by moon

I would rank them about the same.

Wideman has picked up some assists so that is a positive but he is a pylon in his own end and a disaster with the puck if not shooting it on net (which he seems to do with the accuracy of the much maligned Dion Phaneuf).

I would rank Bouwmeester/Wideman tied for 3rd in terms of performance this year with neither one being overly impressive and both getting failing grades.

Perhaps Wideman gets the benefit of the doubt because this poor play should have been expected of him and Bouwmeester has shown he can play much better.

At least Wideman can through some good hits once in a while too.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by moon

I would rank them about the same.

Wideman has picked up some assists so that is a positive but he is a pylon in his own end and a disaster with the puck if not shooting it on net (which he seems to do with the accuracy of the much maligned Dion Phaneuf).

I would rank Bouwmeester/Wideman tied for 3rd in terms of performance this year with neither one being overly impressive and both getting failing grades.

Perhaps Wideman gets the benefit of the doubt because this poor play should have been expected of him and Bouwmeester has shown he can play much better.

If Wideman is a pylon than what exactly is Bouwmeester? Wideman was an even last night and played 5 more minutes than Bouwmeester, who ended up leading the team with a -3.

[daveinspruce]

Why are you guys all acting like this is something new?? This is a SLOW,SMALL,OLD, LOW TALENTED TEAM!!!
This is the 3rd year of this crap. But hold on to your aging stars,don't trade them for some younger talent,so we can suck even longer.
Man I don't know how to wake up the masses!!!!
Almost very team has a couple of stud young players...we have Iginla!!
If you guys were honest with yourselves then you will realize its time to part ways with more than half of this team.
Even Kipper is playing like this is his last year!

[edn88]

I am not convinced that Phaneuf is a better player than Bow, but, who cares, we don't have Phaneuf here any longer.

Time to stop crying over spilled milk.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Wideman > Bouwmeester

I really dont get the early love in for Wideman?

[TKB]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

I really dont get the early love in for Wideman?

Agree, If anyone watched Wideman with previous teams they would of known he was all kind of bad in the defensive zone. Hes a PP specialist who should be on the third pairing.

[calumniate]

I thought the first goal was the most frustrating to watch Bouwmeester on. He got turned around about 4 times before the puck went in. Not really his fault.. just sad overall haha

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Remember after we first signed JBO, and Peca said his rep was that of being easy to play against......and most of us flipped our lids about it?

Yeah.......

This thread is like a carbon copy of a thread from last March. GirlySports defending Bouwmeester, and me bringing up Peca's video:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...7&postcount=34

The sad thing is I found the Peca thread from 2010 and there I was on the first page praising Bouwmeester...

Here's the 2010 Peca thread:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...highlight=Peca

[Super-Rye]

Jay Bouwmeester has not looked good at all in this new system. I'm holding out hope it's just rust. Hopefully Hartley has a few tricks up his sleeve to turn Bouwmeester's game around otherwise it could be a long season for the Flames.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by TKB

Agree, If anyone watched Wideman with previous teams they would of known he was all kind of bad in the defensive zone. Hes a PP specialist who should be on the third pairing.

Dont agree. Hes average in the D zone. I also believe he is up there for blocking shots too. Hes a very good #3/4D who can QB the PP.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

I really dont get the early love in for Wideman?

Not a love-in by any means but I frankly expected worse of him in the D-zone, and his play on the PP has been impressive.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

Jay Bouwmeester has not looked good at all in this new system. I'm holding out hope it's just rust. Hopefully Hartley has a few tricks up his sleeve to turn Bouwmeester's game around otherwise it could be a long season for the Flames.

This seems like a strange comment when Bouwmeester looked so bad in the old system.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Makarov

This seems like a strange comment when Bouwmeester looked so bad in the old system.

Everyone got a clean slate to start the year.

Hartley said he wanted Feaster to keep Bouwmeester on to team so he can work with him. The season is young and while based on past performance it does not look good, there is still time for him to turn it around.

If Hartley can't get Bouwmeester to turn it around then I suspect Bouwmeester will be jettisoned come trade deadline or in the off-season.