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van fan down by river · 05-09-2009, 11:12 AM

Where does Nemisz rank as a prospect for the flames. in your opinon.

cross16 · 05-09-2009, 11:17 AM

Depends what terms you mean. If you just wanted to know from 1-10 type of thing. I put Nemisz 3rd behind Backlund and Irving.

van fan down by river · 05-09-2009, 11:24 AM

Is he a sure fire prospect??

moon · 05-09-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by van fan down by river

Is he a sure fire prospect??

No.

But that isn't really something that should be a shock. I don't think anyone drafted at his spot is going to be a sure fire prospect.

He has some very good qualities and has progressed nicely but still is a number of years away from the NHL.

cross16 · 05-09-2009, 11:35 AM

Sure fire prospect is not a good term. Daigle was considered a sure fire prospect.

I think he is a sure fire NHLer, but it remains to be seen what impact. he has alot of potential, but there are some things that need to be improved first.

van fan down by river · 05-09-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cross16

Sure fire prospect is not a good term. Daigle was considered a sure fire prospect.

I think he is a sure fire NHLer, but it remains to be seen what impact. he has alot of potential, but there are some things that need to be improved first.

LOL.. sure fire NHLer is more what I was getting at. Thanks.

MrMastodonFarm · 05-09-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

No..

Yeah, exactly. There is about 1% of NHL prospects that are "sure fire", and those are usually the top couple of picks in each draft.

I don't know where Nemisz would rank, rankings are hard to do, but I firmly believe that the Flames are in good shape moving forward with a combination of Nemisz, Backlund, Pelech, and Irving. I think all four could make cases for top Flames prospect.

Claeren · 05-09-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, exactly. There is about 1% of NHL prospects that are "sure fire", and those are usually the top couple of picks in each draft.

I don't know where Nemisz would rank, rankings are hard to do, but I firmly believe that the Flames are in good shape moving forward with a combination of Nemisz, Backlund, Pelech, and Irving. I think all four could make cases for top Flames prospect.

With Aulie and Negrin coming on strong behind them....

Claeren.

Muta · 05-09-2009, 01:45 PM

Don't forget about the potential of Wahl and Brodie as well.

Interesting times within the Flames prospect system.

Freeway · 05-09-2009, 06:58 PM

Given the Flames' depth, I wouldn't see them rushing Nemisz into the bigs anytime before 2011. That said, he's shown great grit and skill with the Spitfires. He's very much a Sutter-type player.

Reggie Dunlop · 05-09-2009, 07:46 PM

Flames easily have the best prospect base of all the NW Division teams.

Freeway · 05-09-2009, 08:18 PM

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Flames easily have the best prospect base of all the NW Division teams.

Leland Irving will likely see NHL time in 2010, depending on his training camp and the status of Curtis McElhinney.
Matt Pelech & John Negrin have seen NHL time and not looked at all out of place. Keith Aulie is likely in a similar position in the next year or so.
Mikael Backlund is turning heads in the WHL playoffs. Ditto Greg Nemisz in the OHL playoffs.

And that's not even counting guys like Wahl, Brodie and others.

Yeesh.

bigtmac19 · 05-09-2009, 11:30 PM

Commentator during the game last night said he interviewed Tom Webster yesterday afternoon and that he and the Flames are really pleased with Nemisz and how he has improved every aspect of his game this year, he is doing everything right out there, all the little things to improve his game that they were looking for.

Patrick · 05-10-2009, 10:41 AM

IMO, Neimez is similar to Andrew Ladd minus the expnectations. Both play a somewhat similar game, they go to the net and are big bodies. Ladd fed of Getzlaf so he was drafted very high. Neimez wasn't drafted as high in the 1st but plays with very talented linemates.

IMO, he will be a similar player to ladd. Which is a steal at his draft position.

c.t.ner · 05-10-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Don't forget about the potential of Wahl and Brodie as well.

I'm curious, but how does Neimez compare to the Wahlrus. I'm curious, because both have had some great Memorial Cup Playoff experience and they drafted in the same year. I honestly think Wahl was a steal inthe second round. But how is their development going so far? Anyone who watches these guys on a regular have any opinions.

Claeren · 05-10-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

IMO, Neimez is similar to Andrew Ladd minus the expnectations. Both play a somewhat similar game, they go to the net and are big bodies. Ladd fed of Getzlaf so he was drafted very high. Neimez wasn't drafted as high in the 1st but plays with very talented linemates.

IMO, he will be a similar player to ladd. Which is a steal at his draft position.

I was just looking at Ladd's profile and was shocked to see he was drafted 4th overall! Wow, way higher than I would have guessed.

Then you look at the draft that year (still a bit early granted, but not by much) and see how few really good players it produced:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NHL_Entry_Draft

Ovechkin, Malkin, Green and Streit are big exceptions, and Radulov if he had stuck it out, but it drops off fast after that. Cam Barker went 3rd, and there a bunch of other names in the first round that are becoming regular career NHLers, but the biggest point to me is that Calgary did pretty well considering how lean it is: Boyd, Prust and Pardy are absolute steals at their draft positions. Chucko is certainly no worse a pick than many teams made around that spot (only Mike Green really stands out as a missed opportunity), and even the Spratt's and Cracknall's of the world have been useful depth picks considering how late they were picked.

Nemisz certainly compares well with Ladd though, and he has now grown taller, bigger and has more WHL experience/production than Ladd ever had (Ladd dropped off Giants first year in WHL, then played in BCHL and only managed 2 senior seasons in WHL). Shall be interesting to see if he can pull it together at the pro level.... fingers crossed!

Claeren.

Rifleman · 05-10-2009, 01:07 PM

I've heard it mentioned once that power forwards develop a lot slower than other positions, besides maybe defencemen.

Is Neimez going to be a David Moss, or his upside higher than that? Are we looking at a future 20 goal guy, or a 30+?

Claeren · 05-10-2009, 03:01 PM

hmm, I would place Nemisz above Moss in terms of total upside.

I see Moss as a 5th-7th team forward, either as a top tier 3rd line power forward or as a bottom tier 2nd line power forward. The absolute (unlikely) upside being as a regular 2nd liner (4th-6th team forward).

Nemisz I think would be seen as a topline winger still at this point, the 3rd-4th forward on a team who plays as the weakest (skill not size) player on the topline or the stronger player on the 2nd line.

Obviously Nemisz is a lot younger (7 years or so?) and further from being anywhere near a pro so it is not really a fair direct comparison?

Moss is an absolute stud considering he is a 6th round pick though. Nemisz is a 1st round pick in a very deep draft year for a reason and thus projects accordingly I think.

Claeren.

Claeren · 05-10-2009, 03:14 PM

Something else for people to consider.

Nemisz (June, 1990) is 15 months younger than Backlund (March, 1989).

15 months meaning a lot at this age, the question would be, how much more of an impact player would Nemisz be compared to Backlund after another year of WHL (opps, OHL) hockey? The answer to which we will never know because I would think he is in the AHL next season instead?? (< EDIT: He is in the OHL again next year, crazy!)

But regardless, makes me even more hopeful for Nemisz's chances as a NHLer.

Claeren.

Parallex · 05-10-2009, 03:27 PM

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The answer to which we will never know because I would think he is in the AHL next season instead??

Isn't Nemisz ineligible for the AHL next season? I thought you had to be either 20+ years old or had to have played 4 full seasons in major junior in order to play in the AHL.