Want to help the CFL change some rules?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

You have to line up at the same place for either kind of conversion to leave fake plays as an option, IMO.

Disagree.

Teams don't have the cojones to try that maybe more than once a year. Seems kind of pointless to leave 98% of conversions as an automatic gimme so that a handful of times each year a team can pull try something sneaky.

[calgaryrocks]

what if you made the 2 point convert worth 3 points instead of two?

[Traditional_Ale]

I say just adopt the NFL rules completely in every way...except keep the 20 second clock and three-minute warning.

[Romanrules]

I'd rather not do that. The game is fine the way it is. A change of the rule regarding how you kick after conceding a safety is really the only thing I can see that needs changing. If you want the rules changed to the NFL, go watch the NFL.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Romanrules

I'd rather not do that. The game is fine the way it is. A change of the rule regarding how you kick after conceding a safety is really the only thing I can see that needs changing. If you want the rules changed to the NFL, go watch the NFL.

I do watch the NFL.

I'd watch more CFL if it was like the NFL.

[Romanrules]

So, do you mean just adopt the NFL rules that are better then the CFl rules, and keep the current CFL rules that are better? ie: keep no yards, in stead of fair catch, etc..

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Romanrules

So, do you mean just adopt the NFL rules that are better then the CFl rules, and keep the current CFL rules that are better? ie: keep no yards, in stead of fair catch, etc..

No, I mean have an identical game, but have a three-minute warning instead of a two-minute, and to retain the CFL 20-second play clock for athletic value.

[rubecube]

No yards is the worst rule in football. I'd rather have the fair catch,.

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

No, I mean have an identical game, but have a three-minute warning instead of a two-minute, and to retain the CFL 20-second play clock for athletic value.

and i suppose you would like to move the teams all to the states where all the real football fans are so the atmosphere would be nfl-like and players could be overpaid and an american network would show the league and it would become a farm team league to the nfl...
the canadian game is great, unique and ultimately very canadian (in that its not perfect but its about the love of playing the game). that being said, rule changes are ok, if it weren't for rule changes the nfl and cfl would both be rugby...
if you want a game thats identical to the nfl, except with a slight tweak of the 2/3 minute warning and a big change to the timeclock, then the nfl can give you that. the cfl is a different game, and hopefully always will be, while continuing to improve and come up with new ideas (not just copying the nfl). i think the idea here is the cfl wants to hear new ideas of things that can be improved, not just what can we copy from our southern neighbors

[worth]

I really don't see the problem with the single point, and I believe this whole issue stems from people not properly understanding the reason for it.

The reason the single point if given is not for kicking the ball through the end zone after missing a FG, it is because the team missed the FG, the ball is still live. If the ball lands in bounds, the defending team has a chance to return the ball out of their end zone. If they do then no point is awarded to the offensive team. therefore, the point is awarded for basically the defending team failing to get the ball out of the end zone.

So if the offensive team is close enough to boot it through the end zone while missing the FG, the point is automatically awarded, not for missing the field goal, but because the defensive team failed to get the ball out of the end zone.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by worth

I really don't see the problem with the single point, and I believe this whole issue stems from people not properly understanding the reason for it.

I understand it. It's still ######ed.

[worth]

But you also have a bias against all things CFL.

[You Need a Thneed]

The single point adds a different element of strategy to the game that would be a real shame to lose. Hey, it sucks that occasionally team get "rewarded" for missing a field goal, but FAR more often, the team is punished by only getting one point instead of three when they miss a field goal. It's not often that those single points decide games, and in all honesty, if you are relying on the other team to miss a short field goal in order for you to win the football game, your team probably doesn't deserve to win the football game.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by worth

But you also have a bias against all things CFL.

No I don't. I'm just a very bitter fan. I used to be a huge CFL fan but the officiating and some of the rules are what turned me off.

[troutman]

I don't like how the clock flows like a glacier in the last three minutes in the CFL. There is no need to call time-outs or manage the clock. I've seen teams get second and third chances in the last three minutes.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by troutman

No Yards sucks - they should not throw the flag when the defenders are backing up within the 5 yard zone. There seems to be no yards on 99% of returns.

I don't mind the one point for missed field goals - it all has to do with field position. There have been many 9-6 NFL games that could have used some single points.

No yards should be eliminated when the ball hits the ground. Keep the 15 yard one but eliminate the 5 yard one.

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I do watch the NFL.

I'd watch more CFL if it was like the NFL.

Really? You want to watch about 20 minutes of action stretched out into nearly 4 hours?
CFL rules are better, just the athletes aren't as good

[worth]

I would argue that the athletes are tailored to a different game in the CFL. If you want to compare QB's, then obviously the NFL has a much higher caliber. But many other positions a tailored differently.

Would anyone here says Pinball Clemons isn't as good an athlete as anyone in the NFL? There's no way he'd ever get a shot down there because he's just wayyy too small. But to say he isn't as good of an athlete is wrong in my opinion. And that would go for many players up here. There is no way Nik Lewis could play in the NFL due to size. He'd get crushed. But does size make an athlete better than another? You can't have 300lb guys in the CFL because there is a lot more gournd to cover. Agility and speed are key. Defensive players have a lot more room to cover, as do linebackers, and if you put an NFL size guy up there, he won't work. Just like if you put a CFL size guy in the NFL he won't work.

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't like how the clock flows like a glacier in the last three minutes in the CFL. There is no need to call time-outs or manage the clock. I've seen teams get second and third chances in the last three minutes.

i think thats a good thing. in most games it is close to the end, and that way a close game is never really over until the last minute. there is still a need to manage the clock if you have the ball in the last 3 minutes, the clock still runs if you dont get a first down or out of bounds. sometimes the last 3 minutes do take awhile, but its a tradeoff i guess

[Joborule]

I'm a much bigger fan of the NFL then CFL. Mostly due to talent and defensive nature of the game. CFL is very offensive oriented, and it doesn't have as good defense as NFL more so because of talent rather then size and passing nature of the game due to the lack of a down. Technically, defense should be better for the CFL due to defending only 3 downs instead of 4.

I was never a fan of the no yards rule on kick returns. It's a pretty dumb rule and doesn't seem to have that much of an effect on receivers having space since it's flaged so much. That rule can be triggered completely accedental and is offended so many times. I think it would be better off to have fair catch or find an alternative rather then keep it the way it is.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I think it would be better off to have fair catch or find an alternative rather then keep it the way it is.

What about something where the offending player is not allowed to participate in the tackle. If they do, add 15 yards to the end of the run. If they don't- no harm so no foul.

That way we get to hear that Frech ref (the one who is actually good) explain more stuff to us with his accent. It might even give us more chances to hear him say the word "elligible" more often.