2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[bax]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The idea was to look at it from a Flyers perspective. Cap is about 2M apart, so yeah, it not a hammered out plan. Considering that the Flyers keep being brought up, it might be a good idea to look at what they would actually do.

Frost would be the Flames best prospect not named Valimaki, and the only top line prospect. Apologies to Dube. Radcliffe bottom six prospect and 1st in a deep draft. Philly would insist on salary going back, and not give up Giroux or Couturier.

Of course Backlund isn't a cap dump. That's why they would want him.

A Flyers fan would say they are giving up a lot.

So the Flyers upgrade Voracek into Gaudreau and add a second line center at the cost of Frost, Ratcliffe, and a first?

I don't see any reason for Calgary to entertain that offer. Voracek carries an 8.25 cap hit for four season after this one. He is still capable today, but that will turn into an anchor soon.

Frost is a great prospect, but he isn't a sure thing. Could be a first liner, could be a third liner.

Ratcliffe is okay, but nothing special. The Flames have prospects just as good or better.

And a first, while nice doesn't move the needle enough for me to want to trade away our franchise player. Honestly, if that's the best you can do then hold on to Gaudreau until the last year of his deal. Even then if he says he won't re-sign you should be able to pull in a great prospect, an okay prospect, and a first.

Gaudreau has 204 points in his last 191 games. That's better than every single player in the league over that span save for 11 players. It's better than Pastrnak, Panarin, Wheeler, Tavares, Malkin, Huberdeau, Kessel, Rantanen, Kuznetsov, Eichel, Marner, Seguin, Kopitar. The list goes on.

I can't understand why anyone would want to trade him for a package like that, let alone include Backlund as well.

The "can't win with a player like Gaudreau as your best player" argument seems so off base to me. Continue to add great players around him in provide better support. You don't have to trade him. Morgan Frost sure isn't the answer to put this team in a better position to win.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The idea was to look at it from a Flyers perspective. Cap is about 2M apart, so yeah, it not a hammered out plan. Considering that the Flyers keep being brought up, it might be a good idea to look at what they would actually do...

Let's be clear here: The ONLY reason the Flyers continue to be brought up is because Gaudreau grew up and lives nearby in the offseason.

I am still mystified about why some seem convinced that this the only—or even the best trade option for the Flames if they want to move Gaudreau.

Again, he remains under team control for one more year after this one. Gaudreau's five-team NTC does not kick in until July 2021, up to which point the Flames are free to trade him to whichever team they so desire. I anticipate that in an eventual bidding war for a player of his calibre, and with term remaining on a good-value contract that Gaudreau would more than likely get moved to a different team unless the Flyers were prepared to pay a premium.

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm curious to hear what people's thoughts are on bringing Brodie back. I've come around on the idea of an extension.

I think if the Flames sign Brodie to a deal, term should be the biggest consideration. I'd be a lot more comfortable with a 3- or 4-year deal at a higher salary, like $5.5ish million, than a 6-year deal, even if it is cheaper.

Signing Brodie and letting Hamonic, Frolik, Talbot, etc walk opens up plenty of cap space to extend Andersson to a long-term deal (the longer, the better in this case -- I'd even be ok with seeing the franchise's first 8-year deal) and would also likely allow the Flames to sign a mid-tier UFA to a reasonable deal.

I want Brodie back but I’d probably only offer him the Jake Gardiner deal. Flames are weak on that right side.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Let's be clear here: The ONLY reason the Flyers continue to be brought up is because Gaudreau grew up and lives nearby in the offseason.

I am still mystified about why some seem convinced that this the only—or even the best trade option for the Flames if they want to move Gaudreau.

Again, he remains under team control for one more year after this one. Gaudreau's five-team NTC does not kick in until July 2021, up to which point the Flames are free to trade him to whichever team they so desire. I anticipate that in an eventual bidding war for a player of his calibre, and with term remaining on a good-value contract that Gaudreau would more than likely get moved to a different team unless the Flyers were prepared to pay a premium.

Right, if you think you must trade him to improve the team or to retain value, you get the best deal possible. Now, maybe Philly pays more because they figure they can re-sign. But that's just a consideration.

[Roof-Daddy]

Would you trade Johnny to the Rangers for Zibenejad?

Would the Rangers do it?

Who adds, or is it pretty even straight up?

Both 26, both with 2 more years left on what are bargain deals in todays NHL.

Gaudreau with a longer history of better production but Zibs is a right shot two way C who has improved his offensive production lately.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Let's be clear here: The ONLY reason the Flyers continue to be brought up is because Gaudreau grew up and lives nearby in the offseason.

I am still mystified about why some seem convinced that this the only—or even the best trade option for the Flames if they want to move Gaudreau.

Again, he remains under team control for one more year after this one. Gaudreau's five-team NTC does not kick in until July 2021, up to which point the Flames are free to trade him to whichever team they so desire. I anticipate that in an eventual bidding war for a player of his calibre, and with term remaining on a good-value contract that Gaudreau would more than likely get moved to a different team unless the Flyers were prepared to pay a premium.

I think the Rangers would have interest in an American star with the nickname of “Johnny Hockey”, and they have some great young assets too.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The idea was to look at it from a Flyers perspective.

There's your mistake. This is the Trade Speculation and Rumors thread. Any trade proposal that actually has a chance of being agreeable to the other team is a non-starter around here.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Would you trade Johnny to the Rangers for Zibenejad?

Would the Rangers do it?

Who adds, or is it pretty even straight up?

Both 26, both with 2 more years left on what are bargain deals in todays NHL.

Gaudreau with a longer history of better production but Zibs is a right shot two way C who has improved his offensive production lately.

Rangers would need to add, but Zibanejad has a full NMC - so I think that right there kills that idea.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

All of these quality picks spent on low-end players.

Spending future assets on marginal improvements in depth players is the strategy of an impatient franchise that's not very good at drafting and development.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think Voracek would be a good add if we were to move on with Gaudreau. He too is a playmaker, has size, and can feed Monahan or Lindholm as his center. The Flyers would need to retain on Voracek by 9% so that Johnny + Voracek retention and Calgary taking on Voracek is around the same.

Tkachuk - Monahan/Lindholm - X
X - Lindholm/Monahan - Voracek

We would also need more in the Voracek deal. Johnny is a better player.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Would you trade Johnny to the Rangers for Zibenejad?

Would the Rangers do it?

Who adds, or is it pretty even straight up?

Both 26, both with 2 more years left on what are bargain deals in todays NHL.

Gaudreau with a longer history of better production but Zibs is a right shot two way C who has improved his offensive production lately.

The Rangers are in the same boat as Calgary, not having enough quality centers. If they trade Zibanejad, they'd want Monahan back in return.

[Monahammer]

I would personally do Johnny+ jankowski+frolik(cap) for voracek and frost

[442scotty]

That’s real bad lol

[442scotty]

Voracek is over the hill already

[David Struch]

Eklund on Gaudreau

Gostisbehere and one of their top prospects along with a #1 pick would get it done I am told. That is very tempting...

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...zz--1/1/102960

[Robo]

There is no way his value is at it lowest everyone around the league knows what he can do

[bax]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Eklund on Gaudreau
https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...zz--1/1/102960

Why do we even post Eklund stuff? It's been known for years he just spews out nothingness

[TheScorpion]

Gostisbehere makes little sense anyway. What is Calgary going to do with yet another LHD? Even if Brodie plays the right side, Calgary already has Giordano, Hanifin, Kylington, and Valimaki...

[alan21]

Doesn't Eklund have Philly connections though?
Not saying this has any legitimacy because GROSS.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by alan21

Doesn't Eklund have Philly connections though?
Not saying this has any legitimacy because GROSS.

Whatever connections he may have once had are probably long gone by now.

He’s about as useful and reliable for actual discussion as your average HFBoards trade proposal.