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Old 11-23-2019, 07:59 PM   #3421
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I agree that the CBE is playing the PR game, but removing the temp jobs is always where the cut backs are going to start when a budget is cut mid year.
Cutting temp jobs is 100% the most responsible place to begin. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise and it's exactly where any corporation would start as well so I'm not sure why the public sector is held to a different standard.

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Old 11-24-2019, 12:43 AM   #3422
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With such short notice, jobs is kind of where it has to start, isn't it? They can look to cut back/eliminate programs, but they have to remove the temporary contract workers first so they can place the permanent employees in those roles later when they remove programs.

I'm surprised at how many people say to just cut back administrative costs. Do they all really think there is multiple millions of dollars being spent that can just be cut back immediately? It just seems like the easy thing to say when most of us don't have a real view as to where this money is going.
We need to see how the other three major school boards are handling the situation before passing judgement on CBE. If there are big differences then we can question why.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:49 AM   #3423
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Cutting temp jobs is 100% the most responsible place to begin. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise and it's exactly where any corporation would start as well so I'm not sure why the public sector is held to a different standard.
The word "temp" is a bit misleading when it comes to government work. It's used to identify what level of influence you have within the union, and what benefits you have access to. It doesn't mean that the position you hold is temporary, only that you are (until you've paid your 'dues').

Edit : They still need a human body to fill that position.
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:38 AM   #3424
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Cutting temp jobs is 100% the most responsible place to begin. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise and it's exactly where any corporation would start as well so I'm not sure why the public sector is held to a different standard.

For teachers I believe all of them are considered temp for their first 2 years (at least in the Catholic board). Once they have made it through their 2nd contract they are considered permanent. So really it means they've laid off a bunch of 1st and 2nd year teachers. Union rules probably don't let them do it any other way though.
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Old 11-24-2019, 01:46 PM   #3425
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Temps must be let go first before they are able to let go any Continuous teachers.

In this case, temps are being let go & their positions are either going away, or being filled by Continuous teachers from elsewhere in the system (surplussed, specialists, etc.).
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:04 PM   #3426
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The word "temp" is a bit misleading when it comes to government work. It's used to identify what level of influence you have within the union, and what benefits you have access to. It doesn't mean that the position you hold is temporary, only that you are (until you've paid your 'dues').

Edit : They still need a human body to fill that position.
Huh?

Plenty - and I mean plenty - of jobs in the public sector that are temp, are, in fact, temporary in nature. The position does not exist after a (temporary) time.

absolutely zero to do with anything union. Bizzare.
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:28 PM   #3427
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The word "temp" is a bit misleading when it comes to government work. It's used to identify what level of influence you have within the union, and what benefits you have access to. It doesn't mean that the position you hold is temporary, only that you are (until you've paid your 'dues').

Edit : They still need a human body to fill that position.
Sorry I don't buy that argument!

How is being a temp worker misleading? Until you pay your dues in a union? That is so wrong! You are a temp worker. You are done at the end of your contract unless they want to extend it, or hire you as full time staff.

There is nothing misleading about any of this!

They still need a human body to fill the position? Do they? It would be a full time position if they needed it to be.

What troubles me is the comment they still need a human body to fill the position. No mention of skill or experience. Just a human body!

I hire employees based off skills, not because they are a warm body.
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Old 11-25-2019, 12:12 AM   #3428
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It would be a full time position if they needed it to be.
That really doesn't have anything to do with who is temp and who is permanent in teaching. If you take a small elementary school with one class in each grade. It's really likely that one of the teachers (the newest one on the staff) is on a temporary contract either replacing someone on mat leave or who has left/retired.

Just because the grade 4 teacher was on a temp contract doesn't mean those kids don't need a teacher, and they aren't less important than the grade 3 or grade 5 class taught by a teacher on a permanent contract.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:28 AM   #3429
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where I work, they have positions that are permanent but instead of a full time continuing person, they hire people on "temp" contracts which can go on for many years.
this way they get around paying the full freight of benefits and it's easier to get rid of them if you want to, for whatever reason.

has nothing to do with the position but saving money. don't get hung up on the term "temp"
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I just don't get how so many people are ok with this budget cut, and would rather blame the CBE then the UCP. If you believe the CBE is corrupt, or inept, or some combination of both, how could you turn around and say that same organization would be able to handle a huge budget cut without the end product being negatively affected? Especially when that cut comes with no directives and is effective immediately.

Looking for inefficiencies and ways to improve is great, and is something we should be doing constantly, but cutting budgets only hurts our students by delivering a worse education system. We shouldn't be cutting, we should be looking to improve and reinvesting any found money back into the system. I would think most people would agree that education is one of the best investments we can make.

It was a shady move by the UCP regardless of opinions on the CBE, and demonstrates their lack of care about education.
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For teachers I believe all of them are considered temp for their first 2 years (at least in the Catholic board). Once they have made it through their 2nd contract they are considered permanent. So really it means they've laid off a bunch of 1st and 2nd year teachers. Union rules probably don't let them do it any other way though.
I know teachers who have had temp contracts for 10+ years who were let go and had to go back to subbing. They can string you along as long as they are able to. Temp contracts have nothing to do with seniority at the school division.
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Okay, whether they're temp, or "temp", they're still probably the easiest to release from a restructuring process. Again, you have to start somewhere if you've staring down a budget cut and starting with "temps" seems like a reasonable position. That's how it would start at any private organization I've worked at. Regardless, LaGrange being upset at teacher cuts after cutting the budget is pretty rich.

Anyway,s the CBE may or may not be inefficient (I don't have kids so I don't really know) but they're clearing doing something right:

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Today, the results are in from the world’s biggest educational assessment — the 2015 results in science, reading and math from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA). Alberta students ranked first in Canada and second out of 72 countries or economies in the world, behind only Singapore, in science. Albertans ranked third in the world in reading, behind only British Columbia and Singapore.
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:34 AM   #3433
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I know teachers who have had temp contracts for 10+ years who were let go and had to go back to subbing. They can string you along as long as they are able to. Temp contracts have nothing to do with seniority at the school division.
I think that you're confusing probationary and temporary contracts. In the CSSD, as in the CBE, new full-time teachers have a probationary contract for 1-2 years until they become permanent. Temporary teachers are a little different, they are coving for maternity leave or similar. Temporary teachers are still usually new as well, but it's a little different than the probationary contracts that all newly hired teachers have.

One guy I that I know was just terminated out of his temporary position as a band teacher at a jr. high. He is fresh out of school and was hoping to get a probationary contract next year after covering for someone on leave this year. Another person that I know is in his third year of a probationary contract and he was told that he is safe in this recent cut.

Edit: I quoted the wrong post. icecube is not wrong. the point still stands.
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Change of pace article from the Edmonton Journal today:

Proponents of Calgary-to-Edmonton magnet tube transporter seek provincial nod

Proponents of a privately funded magnetic tube link that could zip passengers from Calgary to Edmonton in 30 minutes hope the province comes on board with the concept.

They say the previous NDP government had offered up land to host a 10-kilometre test line along the west side of Highway 2 between Olds and Didsbury for the so-called hyperloop, something their UCP successors have ignored.

“We can’t get any traction or interest from the province,” said Sebastien Gendron, CEO of France-based TransPod.

When he presented the proposal to Alberta’s premier while he was stumping for federal Conservative candidates in Ontario earlier this fall, Jason Kenney rolled his eyes, said Gendron.

But there’s nothing pie-in-the-sky about the concept that could fulfill an oft-recurring dream in Alberta to link its two major cities with a high-speed rail connection, he said.

A letter of support from the provincial government would unleash $100 million to $200 million in private investment funds to build the test line, the success of which could lead to the construction of the entire $6 billion to $8 billion system before 2030, said Gendron.
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Change of pace article from the Edmonton Journal today:

Proponents of Calgary-to-Edmonton magnet tube transporter seek provincial nod

Proponents of a privately funded magnetic tube link that could zip passengers from Calgary to Edmonton in 30 minutes hope the province comes on board with the concept.

They say the previous NDP government had offered up land to host a 10-kilometre test line along the west side of Highway 2 between Olds and Didsbury for the so-called hyperloop, something their UCP successors have ignored.

“We can’t get any traction or interest from the province,” said Sebastien Gendron, CEO of France-based TransPod.

When he presented the proposal to Alberta’s premier while he was stumping for federal Conservative candidates in Ontario earlier this fall, Jason Kenney rolled his eyes, said Gendron.

But there’s nothing pie-in-the-sky about the concept that could fulfill an oft-recurring dream in Alberta to link its two major cities with a high-speed rail connection, he said.

A letter of support from the provincial government would unleash $100 million to $200 million in private investment funds to build the test line, the success of which could lead to the construction of the entire $6 billion to $8 billion system before 2030, said Gendron.
Is it O&G? No? Another luxury we can't afford.
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All told, it would boost a struggling provincial economy by directly creating 14,500 jobs when fully operational, said TransPod.
Very interesting.

I know it isn't O+G, but the UCP might get a boner for this since it kinda looks like a pipeline.
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Old 11-25-2019, 12:43 PM   #3437
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Very interesting.

I know it isn't O+G, but the UCP might get a boner for this since it kinda looks like a pipeline.
I would love to know how this would create 14,500 jobs after its built.
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I would love to know how this would create 14,500 jobs after its built.
For sure. Contact them and ask
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1199023215781146624

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For sure. Contact them and ask
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