[News] Jack Eichel Surgery And Comeback Thread

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It seems there is only one possible course of action for many. You come into the thread with very clear and descriptive title in the subject and tell everyone how you don't want to talk about it.

There's obviously not going to be much news on that topic for a while unless God forbid the surgery is a disaster. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

But it will be interesting to reflect back on. As Jiri states, some like Friedman have reported the Flames weren't that close. But they were definitely interested. And if they weren't close, it is by choice really because while the Sabres may have coveted certain players from Vegas, it's not like that offer was unbeatable. You could have offered more if you wanted him bad enough. To be seen if that would have been the right call.

Seeing what Buffalo got if the Flames weren't close Treliving should just step down now, they got Krebs who doesn't look any better than Dube at the NHL level(at least Dube has an NHL shot), A broken power forward and a middle 1st for Eichel and a 3rd.

Ridiculous we couldn't put a deal together to beat that "junk" for Eichel.

Prediction: By this time next season even the most supportive Treliving fans will want him gone because of this.

[Goriders]

Why doesn’t some just start an eichel fan club?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seeing what Buffalo got if the Flames weren't close Treliving should just step down now, they got Krebs who doesn't look any better than Dube at the NHL level(at least Dube has an NHL shot), A broken power forward and a middle 1st for Eichel and a 3rd.

Ridiculous we couldn't put a deal together to beat that "junk" for Eichel.

Prediction: By this time next season even the most supportive Treliving fans will want him gone because of this.

One more time: This isn’t a contest where an independent judge decides which offer is better. Buffalo simply wanted Krebs more than any Calgary prospect, like it or not, and likely wanted Tuch more than any roster player Calgary could offer due to his contract status and desire to play there. You can’t force a yes from Buffalo no matter how much you tell them Krebs isn’t as good as they think.

There’s a pretty good chance they didn’t want Tkachuk or Monahan even if they were offered, for reasons which have been set out many times.

I think it quite likely Treliving made an offer we would all consider “better”.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Why doesn’t some just start an eichel fan club?

The No EichelS club?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seeing what Buffalo got if the Flames weren't close Treliving should just step down now, they got Krebs who doesn't look any better than Dube at the NHL level(at least Dube has an NHL shot), A broken power forward and a middle 1st for Eichel and a 3rd.

Ridiculous we couldn't put a deal together to beat that "junk" for Eichel.

Prediction: By this time next season even the most supportive Treliving fans will want him gone because of this.

Biased post is biased.
Krebs is a quality prospect. Full stop.
He tracks to be a better NHLer than Dube.
History will tell but when you label their package as "junk" it is designed to suggest somehow Tree screwed up.

I stated several times along the way that if Krebs was put on the table that it would like be over. So this isn't revisionist history by me.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seeing what Buffalo got if the Flames weren't close Treliving should just step down now, they got Krebs who doesn't look any better than Dube at the NHL level(at least Dube has an NHL shot), A broken power forward and a middle 1st for Eichel and a 3rd.

Ridiculous we couldn't put a deal together to beat that "junk" for Eichel.

Prediction: By this time next season even the most supportive Treliving fans will want him gone because of this.

Should the 30 other GMs who couldn't beat Vegas's offer step down as well?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Should the 30 other GMs who couldn't beat Vegas's offer step down as well?

Not offer. "Junk".

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Biased post is biased.
Krebs is a quality prospect. Full stop.
He tracks to be a better NHLer than Dube.
History will tell but when you label their package as "junk" it is designed to suggest somehow Tree screwed up.

I stated several times along the way that if Krebs was put on the table that it would like be over. So this isn't revisionist history by me.

I agree with you that Krebs is a quality prospect and probably ranked higher than Dube by those around the league.

But I do think the Vegas offer could have been topped if you're hell bent on Eichel. Maybe Mangiapane? Or maybe add another first to the mix.

The Flames offered what they did. As you say, history will tell if that was the right decision. Personally I'm a little skeptical. The Flames biggest problem, and its repeated by many on here is what when they lose, their best players (Tkachuk, Gaudreau. Lindholm) were not as good as the other team's best players.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Should the 30 other GMs who couldn't beat Vegas's offer step down as well?

Yes, except for Holland.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I agree with you that Krebs is a quality prospect and probably ranked higher than Dube by those around the league.

But I do think the Vegas offer could have been topped if you're hell bent on Eichel. Maybe Mangiapane? Or maybe add another first to the mix.

The Flames offered what they did. As you say, history will tell if that was the right decision. Personally I'm a little skeptical. The Flames biggest problem, and its repeated by many on here is what when they lose, their best players (Tkachuk, Gaudreau. Lindholm) were not as good as the other team's best players.

We'll never know and we'll never be able to fully evaluate because we don't know what they offered.
Part of the reason why Krebs was important to Buffalo is because he projects to be a centre in the NHL. If that was important to the Sabres, the Flames had little to offer. I'm not sure if Zary projects to be a centre or winger at the NHL level.

But I think the fan perception that "offers can be beat" by throwing in more stuff is fundamentally flawed.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seeing what Buffalo got if the Flames weren't close Treliving should just step down now, they got Krebs who doesn't look any better than Dube at the NHL level(at least Dube has an NHL shot), A broken power forward and a middle 1st for Eichel and a 3rd.

Ridiculous we couldn't put a deal together to beat that "junk" for Eichel.

Prediction: By this time next season even the most supportive Treliving fans will want him gone because of this.

So you're saying that 23 year old Dillon Dube and his experience of 134 NHL games and 56 AHL games looks better in the NHL than 20 year old Payton Krebs and his experience of 13 NHL games and 9 AHL games?

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We'll never know and we'll never be able to fully evaluate because we don't know what they offered.
Part of the reason why Krebs was important to Buffalo is because he projects to be a centre in the NHL. If that was important to the Sabres, the Flames had little to offer. I'm not sure if Zary projects to be a centre or winger at the NHL level.

But I think the fan perception that "offers can be beat" by throwing in more stuff is fundamentally flawed.

exactly this.

also, at what point would it have been TOO much for Eichel? we could have added multiple 1sts and prospects and players but should the Flames have? it would have been a pyrrhic victory

[devo22]

it's easy for us to say "we could have beaten that by offering x". Truth is, we simply don't know what the focus was for Buffalo and how they evaluate the various pieces. Krebs is a fine prospect and Tuch has a decent contract, so I get why that's enticing to Buffalo. I'm still convinced they could have got quite a bit more in the summer, but Krebs+Tuch+1st is not "junk".

[CSharp]

He's never gonna be a Flames. So, who cares.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Macman

Since we had so much interest in acquiring Jack Eichel why not another thread to watch his comeback.

[N-E-B]

Nobody cares about Eichel anymore. The trade is done. We didn’t get him. Let’s focus on the future.

[FanIn80]

Why on Earth would any Flames fan now care about the recovery of yet another generational talent on another rival team in our division? Even the "are we getting him" stuff had already progressed to whatever comes after the dead horse beating stage. Zero interest in what happens to him now.

Besides, you just need to wait until the off season SNET documentary for all the juicy details about his recovery.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I'll be keen to watch and talk about Eichel once he's back and we see what he really is.
But at this point after wasting the whole summer on it, I'm happy to leave this topic for 3-4 months.
(leaving the room)

[Macman]

Should Pierre Lebrun and Darren Dreger also not be talking about it then? It's really no different than other stories about the NHL that get posted here. Yeah I get there's been a lot of threads about Jack here but this is post trade.

I also don't think Eichel was really interested in playing here of all places. The Flames do play the Knights in March so it's possible he could be back in action by then.

[dissentowner]

I will be honest, I want his surgery to be a success and him to have a pain free life but I hope his hockey career takes a giant nosedive. I hate Vegas.