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Old 05-05-2019, 11:15 PM   #1
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Icon59 Ken Holland is the new GM and POHO of the Edmonton Oilers

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Can confirm Ken Holland has officially accepted the job as Oilers General Manager. An official announcement to come in the next few days.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:18 PM   #2
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sureLoss, you're a machine. anyway i'll bring this over from the thread i made

rumours have been pushed that a Dave Tippett coaching gig could come out of this, we'll see where that leads. Edmonton finished the season with Ken Hitchcock behind the bench but he is not expected to return in that capacity. it's also unclear where Keith Gretzky fits into all of this.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:21 PM   #3
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Holland = No Good


(The Netherlands are much better)
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:23 PM   #4
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RIP Holland's career.

Wish him nothing but the worst going forward.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:24 PM   #5
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Holland = No Good


(The Netherlands are much better)
Aren't they generally the same thing?

(I know Holland is technically just a couple of provinces in the Netherlands but people typically employ synecdoche when talking about them.)
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:27 PM   #6
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:40 PM   #7
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Aren't they generally the same thing?

(I know Holland is technically just a couple of provinces in the Netherlands but people typically employ synecdoche when talking about them.)
Even the Dutch call it Holland. My brother in law emigrated from Holland in the 90s and he doesn't call it The Netherlands. My mother in law was born in Holland, not Netherlands.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:46 PM   #8
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Holland in 2-3 years:
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:53 AM   #12
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I’ll buy a bottle of whiskey for whichever member of the media who asks Ken Holland a real legitimate hard question about his recent overpays and why he lacked the analysis to know they were bad signings. Follow up on how how he plans to catch the Oilers up analytically.

There is two…. TWO ways this breaks down and it will tell us all.

Either A) Nicholson heard from so many candidates they all have to go and choose the most experienced guy he trusted to do it in Holland.

or B) Nicholson found his most trusted friend to keep status quo.

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Does anyone else think hiring Ken Holland is a little like Chiarelli?

Like Chiarelli Holland has won it all (more than once) but he has also put the Wings in a bad spot cap wise like Chiarelli did in Boston and Edmonton.

I think Holland is a smart man but I see similarities.

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#Flames: hired Arizona’s AGM with history of making things work with no resources.

Oilers: going to hire Detroit’s old GM, despite not being able to make cap work in a decade.

Cool.
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on his "bucket list"?

lol, Holland expecting his life already passing while on duty as Oiler GM
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Wait, so there's something wrong with the water supply so they get someone from Michigan to come fix it?

That'll end well
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Aren't they generally the same thing?

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Even the Dutch call it Holland. My brother in law emigrated from Holland in the 90s and he doesn't call it The Netherlands. My mother in law was born in Holland, not Netherlands.

In England they say The Netherlands, in North America they say Holland, in Germany they say Niederlande and in Spain they say Holanda.

We say 'Nederland' ourselves.

It's all the same
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Poor guy, thoughts and prayers to his family. I can't wait to see the stages he goes through...optimism, fear, anger, acceptance, regret, guilt and then he'll eventually feel nothing at all. And that's probably going to all happen today lol. It will be fun to watch though.
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What's great about this is that Oiler fans will come back in droves to tell us that they're a move or two away from a championship team under Holland's leadership.

Then they'll realize that they're in cap hell for the foreseeable future, and they have ZERO organizational depth at any position. They have two players that can be considered top end talent with a bunch of bottom of the roster fillers or AHLers. They still have the same group of guys behind the scenes having influence over hockey decisions, including an owner who has no idea how to cut out the tumor that is the OBC. They still have the same scouts that have gathered zilch outside of their top end picks year after year after year.

I don't doubt that Holland is a better than average manager still, but that organization is still in an awful mess and I doubt it gets better for them in the short term. There's an outside shot they've figured it out in 3-5 years if Holland makes every right move, and judging by his track record, that's unlikely to happen.

Nobody can save the Edmonton Oilers.

No, not even Ken Holland can save them.

Nobody.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:04 AM   #18
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Ken Holland was a bad gm in Detroit, I do not expect that will change in Edmonton. Great gm before the cap era, won with the backend of that great team and has been bad for the last 5 years.
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when Yzerman is brought in as your replacement and you have to go to Edmonton ... oof.

I'm more than fine with this. Someone like McCrimmon might have given them a bit of a pulse, but Holland is not exactly a cap magician. Nothing's going to change.
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Personally I think they would have been better off hiring Hunter or even Mike Gillis. Seems like just too much of a post apex hire and not really a lot different than bringing in an old veteran player at the end of his career because of past success. I can't imagine there's a great record of once successful older coaches and GM's ever replicating past success in new organizations in professional sports.
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