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Old 04-30-2019, 12:58 PM   #21
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:59 PM   #22
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Don Waddell is having a good first year in Carolina.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:00 PM   #23
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Given that condition, I'm assuming that Fox has already agreed to sign with the Rangers
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:01 PM   #25
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I think he was going to sign in Carolina if they could get him in games this year and the plan for Carolina was to trade a top-6 to make room for him


However that became hard to do when Carolina didn't trade anyone at the deadline and were in a dog fight to make the playoffs. And now in the playoffs, fox obviously isn't better than anyone in the top 6 for Carolina.
I don't think he was going to sign anywhere other than NY or at least that neck of the woods.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:03 PM   #26
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:06 PM   #27
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A good return IMO.
Imagine we had included Kylington in the trade instead of Fox...would be nice to have a couple 2nd rounders in the chamber.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:06 PM   #28
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We got 2 x 2nds and Horak for Erixon right?
This is not a great return in comparision.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:08 PM   #29
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A good return IMO.
Imagine we had included Kylington in the trade instead of Fox...would be nice to have a couple 2nd rounders in the chamber.
I'd rather have Kylington than a 2nd and conditional 3rd.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:16 PM   #30
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So our trade with Carolina now is:


Hamilton, Ferland, 2019-NYR 2nd and conditional 2020-3rd (possible 2nd) for Hanifin and Lindholm
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:18 PM   #31
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I'd rather have Kylington than a 2nd and conditional 3rd.
I think sometimes people overvalue draft picks. Kylington is already a bona fide NHL defenceman at 21 years old. What are the chances of drafting one of those in the 2nd or 3rd round? I mean actual chances relative to all the picks ever made in the 2nd and 3rd round.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:18 PM   #32
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Ouch!
How so on the Ouch?

Ferland is walking to UFA and the Flames have locked down two great players to team friendly contracts.
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Canes GM Don Waddell and owner Tom Dundon had multiple conversations with Adam Fox trying to change his mind but obviously could not. Given that they only had 1 team to deal with trade-wise based on Fox’s desire to sign with the Rangers, I would say the ‘Canes got a decent return
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How so on the Ouch?

Ferland is walking to UFA and the Flames have locked down two great players to team friendly contracts.
I assumed he meant "ouch" for Carolina.
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I think sometimes people overvalue draft picks. Kylington is already a bona fide NHL defenceman at 21 years old. What are the chances of drafting one of those in the 2nd or 3rd round? I mean actual chances relative to all the picks ever made in the 2nd and 3rd round.
Not only that but Kylington is a mobile, puck-moving defenseman, which is the way the game is trending.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:22 PM   #36
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so... BT was right that Fox wasn't going to sign with Calgary...

not a fan of him, doing it, but its within he rights in the CBA that he has more and more leverage the longer you don't sign...

it is important to note, any player, who doesn't sign for 4 years has UFA status available to them so long as they want to sit unsigned for 4 years.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:23 PM   #37
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How so on the Ouch?

Ferland is walking to UFA and the Flames have locked down two great players to team friendly contracts.
Exactly. This was always about asset management.

Three years of Dougie Hamilton + Dougie Hamilton return when he doesn't sign + 1 year of Micheal Ferland + no return for Ferland + 2nd and possible 2nd

For two players taken 5th overall contributing to the core and locked down for six years on favorable contracts.

I say when Hamilton doesn't sign as they don't appear to be all that strong at retaining players (fighting the contract comparables).

I think the Canes did well with Fox as a return, but they are a year closer to coming out and he put up another solid season.
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We got 2 x 2nds and Horak for Erixon right?
This is not a great return in comparision.
But Erixon was a 1st round draft pick, not saying he was better, but draft position could have an impact.
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We got 2 x 2nds and Horak for Erixon right?
This is not a great return in comparision.
Unfortunately those players drafted haven't really worked out.

Tyler Wotherspoon - released by Flames, signed with St. Louis Blues, played year in AHL

Markus Granlund - traded to Canucks for Hunter Shinkaruk who was traded to Montreal for Kerby Rychel
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I hope Fox fails badly in the NHL
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