High-Profile Sexual Abuse Epidemic

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It was my understanding, at least when Aaron Hernandez committed suicide in prison that all pending charges were dropped.

Not sure of how it works in the US but the other day BC RCMP mentioned they were still contemplating proceeding with murder charges against those two kids despite the fact they are dead. In other his case regardless of whether charges are dropped I’m not sure Epstein would ever be considered innocent. I guess technically he is but a more accurate description would be ‘never convicted’.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Wormius

So with that, apparently all of the charges against him are dropped and he's considered innocent? I think his victims would have a good case for suing the prison. His cronies are probably pretty happy that he isn't going to be able to collaborate any of the claims against other perpetrators.

He had already been charged and convicted before. Where these ongoing charges for things he did after his release from previous charges or just new charges on old stuff?

[Huntingwhale]

America going full Russia and cleaning up loose ends. Only a complete f'ing moron would think there was no 'conspiracy'. This was one of the most high-profile prisoners in recent memory with ties to the current sitting US President and other high-profile politicians. A man under 24 hour suicide watch on the verge of giving testimony, likely implicating many household names as child rapists.

This was definitely as well a coordinated a hit as their ever was. I mean, the world's a better place without that POS living in it. But it would have been infinitely better if he could have started pointing fingers at the other pedophiles he's been covering for and start naming names.

A lot of high-profile people around the world are breathing a sigh of relief hearing this news. But hopefully that's not the case for long with the investigation still ongoing.

Suicide LOL.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

America going full Russia and cleaning up loose ends. Only a complete f'ing moron would think there was no 'conspiracy'. This was one of the most high-profile prisoners in recent memory with ties to the current sitting US President and other high-profile politicians. A man under 24 hour suicide watch on the verge of giving testimony, likely implicating many household names as child rapists.

This was definitely as well a coordinated a hit as their ever was. I mean, the world's a better place without that POS living in it. But it would have been infinitely better if he could have started pointing fingers at the other pedophiles he's been covering for and start naming names.

A lot of high-profile people around the world are breathing a sigh of relief hearing this news. But hopefully that's not the case for long with the investigation still ongoing.

Suicide LOL.

Patiently waiting your evidence!

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by blankall

He had already been charged and convicted before. Where these ongoing charges for things he did after his release from previous charges or just new charges on old stuff?

I must have misunderstood what happened with Hernandez after his suicide. Looks like if you were appealing your conviction and you died, then the conviction was automatically overturned as if the appeal was successful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abatement_ab_initio

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It was my understanding, at least when Aaron Hernandez committed suicide in prison that all pending charges were dropped.

Well yeah....

edit: Wait, it looks like people can be charged after their dead? I mean I guess for closure or something, seems weird to me.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Patiently waiting your evidence!

Of all the jails Pre Trial is about the hardest to commit suicide in even if you know what you are doing, frankly I cannot see anyway a non crim' would have a clue how to.

All said and done this seems like a hit.

[driveway]

I’m gonna go Occam’s razor on this one:

Epstein had strong motivations to commit suicide. I think he committed suicide.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of all the jails Pre Trial is about the hardest to commit suicide in even if you know what you are doing, frankly I cannot see anyway a non crim' would have a clue how to.

All said and done this seems like a hit.

Honestly I can’t see something like this happening. These are big facilities with many many people involved. It would be a huuuuuge cover up. What’s more likely is after first trying to off himself and failing people with power were able to pull strings to get him back into lighter security areas where he has access to things he could finish the job with.

I know in the Canadian system people with severe charges are put into administrative segregation for up to a month and this is without any attempts on their own lives. It’s not that I’d suspect anyone killed him other then himself. It’s likely that the situation was manipulated into allowing him to remove himself from the equation.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of all the jails Pre Trial is about the hardest to commit suicide in even if you know what you are doing, frankly I cannot see anyway a non crim' would have a clue how to.

All said and done this seems like a hit.

he committed suicide

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Honestly I can’t see something like this happening. These are big facilities with many many people involved. It would be a huuuuuge cover up. What’s more likely is after first trying to off himself and failing people with power were able to pull strings to get him back into lighter security areas where he has access to things he could finish the job with.

I know in the Canadian system people with severe charges are put into administrative segregation for up to a month and this is without any attempts on their own lives. It’s not that I’d suspect anyone killed him other then himself. It’s likely that the situation was manipulated into allowing him to remove himself from the equation.

That may be the case I am going on the news he was on a suicide protocol, so paper clothing, no blankets etc, in that situation someone has to come in with a pair of undies and arrange the death, just aint happening otherwise.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

That may be the case I am going on the news he was on a suicide protocol, so paper clothing, no blankets etc, in that situation someone has to come in with a pair of undies and arrange the death, just aint happening otherwise.

He wasn’t on suicide watch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/n...core-ios-share

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

America going full Russia and cleaning up loose ends. Only a complete f'ing moron would think there was no 'conspiracy'. This was one of the most high-profile prisoners in recent memory with ties to the current sitting US President and other high-profile politicians. A man under 24 hour suicide watch on the verge of giving testimony, likely implicating many household names as child rapists.

This was definitely as well a coordinated a hit as their ever was. I mean, the world's a better place without that POS living in it. But it would have been infinitely better if he could have started pointing fingers at the other pedophiles he's been covering for and start naming names.

A lot of high-profile people around the world are breathing a sigh of relief hearing this news. But hopefully that's not the case for long with the investigation still ongoing.

Suicide LOL.

I don’t think that the high profile politicians are out of the woods. Ghislaine Maxwell will likely provide additional names and evidence.

Now, if she ends up committing suicide, well...

[you&me]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

He wasn’t on suicide watch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/n...core-ios-share

Doesn't that, in itself, seem kind of odd?

He recently attempted suicide, was on suicide watch, and as the walls were caving in (even more so than any time up until this point), he's taken off suicide watch?

Maybe there wasn't so much a "hit" as, "You know what you need to do, and we're going to make it possible for you"...

(My conspiracy theory senses are primed, as we just watched the episode of Homeland in which the general "had a heart attack" in prison" )

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by you&me

Doesn't that, in itself, seem kind of odd?

He recently attempted suicide, was on suicide watch, and as the walls were caving in (even more so than any time up until this point), he's taken off suicide watch?

Maybe there wasn't so much a "hit" as, "You know what you need to do, and we're going to make it possible for you"...

(My conspiracy theory senses are primed, as we just watched the episode of Homeland in which the general "had a heart attack" in prison" )

Not really. It's been pointed out a couple other places that a suicide watch only tends to last a couple days to a week, tops. His last attempt was 16 days ago (July 25). I can see him not being on suicide watch. I do think that given who he is, he needed to be on some kind of closer supervision. There are definitely some questions to be answered here.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

He wasn’t on suicide watch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/n...core-ios-share

This is my point. I can only speak to my knowledge of the Canadian system. But someone as high profile as him who had made an attempt on his own life 2 weeks prior would be monitored and likely wouldn’t even have bed sheets at this point.

[Playfair]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

This is my point. I can only speak to my knowledge of the Canadian system. But someone as high profile as him who had made an attempt on his own life 2 weeks prior would be monitored and likely wouldn’t even have bed sheets at this point.

I was thinking while reading this thread, how about clothing? Or maybe he found a way to impale himself

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Playfair

I was thinking while reading this thread, how about clothing? Or maybe he found a way to impale himself

Its called a baby doll here it’s basically a thick and heavy dress of sorts that would be impossible to use to hang yourself. I’ve heard of paper clothes as well but never seen it. And from articles I’ve read it says he hung himself.

I know the states is a different breed but in Canada there is no way no how someone who tried to hang themselves 2 weeks prior would already have access to the kind of resources to make it happen.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

This is my point. I can only speak to my knowledge of the Canadian system. But someone as high profile as him who had made an attempt on his own life 2 weeks prior would be monitored and likely wouldn’t even have bed sheets at this point.

I don’t know what the proper protocol is but I wouldn’t have guessed he’d be allowed access to anything like that either. I’m glad the FBI is investigating. If there’s no foul play responsible for his death there’s probably at least some negligence involved.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Its called a baby doll here it’s basically a thick and heavy dress of sorts that would be impossible to use to hang yourself. I’ve heard of paper clothes as well but never seen it. And from articles I’ve read it says he hung himself.

I know the states is a different breed but in Canada there is no way no how someone who tried to hang themselves 2 weeks prior would already have access to the kind of resources to make it happen.

I would add that when we talk about hanging yourself in a cell there is no where to hang yourself from, it means somehow tieing off on the toilet or edge of your bed and chocking yourself lying on the ground, essentially hanging yourself from a point 2 or 3 foot off the ground