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Old 09-16-2019, 02:16 PM   #201
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For Winters, the cap most definitely IS the problem.

Agents want to drive salaries up so they can get paid more. But with a cap, they cannot do that. If Player A makes more money, Player B has to make less money. Nightmare scenario for agents.
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:22 PM   #202
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Are Rasmus Anderson and Jusso Valimaki also Winter clients? He kept using those two and Mangiapane as his examples, at least four times.
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Old 09-16-2019, 02:31 PM   #203
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Are Rasmus Anderson and Jusso Valimaki also Winter clients? He kept using those two and Mangiapane as his examples, at least four times.
Nope. All he has is Gio, Tatar, and then guys like Erne, Pickard, Jurco and Comrie.

Tkachuk's agent, Don Meehan now only has 3 clients with contracts, all under $1M. He also has Dion. Mind you, he works for Newport which has a #### ton of clients, and I'm not sure how he benefits.

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Old 09-16-2019, 02:34 PM   #204
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Are Rasmus Anderson and Jusso Valimaki also Winter clients? He kept using those two and Mangiapane as his examples, at least four times.
No, it looks like Gio is the only other Flames player he represents.


Andersson's agent is frickin' Claude Lemieux of all people: https://puckpedia.com/player/rasmus-andersson
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No, it looks like Gio is the only other Flames player he represents.


Andersson's agent is frickin' Claude Lemieux of all people: https://puckpedia.com/player/rasmus-andersson
Time to hire Darren McCarty as Special Assistant to the GM for next years Andersson RFA negotiations.
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Nope. All he has is Gio, Tatar, and then guys like Erne, Pickard, Jurco and Comrie.

Tkachuk's agent, Don Meehan now only has 3 clients with contracts, all under $1M. He also has Dion. Mind you, he works for Newport which has a #### ton of clients, and I'm not sure how he benefits.
Craig Oster is Tkachuk's agent (and uncle -- he's Matthew's mom's brother).

I think Meehan is basically in working retirement mode now where he oversees Newport (which he founded in 1981) but doesn't handle many clients anymore (he's 68 years old).


Oster seems to do the heavy lifting for Newport now, with 70 clients. 14 of his clients have cap hits of at least $5 million.
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Except Francis reported the Flames offered 1 year and $800k.

Which was obviously wrong.
Where did Francis report that the Flames offered a $800K deal for one year? I didn’t see this.
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Old 09-16-2019, 03:28 PM   #208
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Way too easy to blame the agents for skyrocketing RFA salaries. I agree with Winter on his point that no one is forcing these teams to allocate their money this way. The NHL has a long history of being unable to manage their business very well, and we have the lockouts to show for it.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1169969297323679744
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Where did Francis report that the Flames offered a $800K deal for one year? I didn’t see this.
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Old 09-16-2019, 03:43 PM   #211
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Way too easy to blame the agents for skyrocketing RFA salaries. I agree with Winter on his point that no one is forcing these teams to allocate their money this way. The NHL has a long history of being unable to manage their business very well, and we have the lockouts to show for it.
The agents advise (push) their clients to pursue significantly escalating contract numbers. This is very understandable because, if there is no hard cap, it serves to push total salaries up, ever escalating at a rate faster than inflation. Which serves agents well.

However, in a hard cap, salaries can only escalate at the rate that revenues escalate. So when agents push for ever-increasing numbers for the stars, all they do is screw up the pay scale for everyone else.

In this scenario, the agents are doing a disservice to the players. And the agents hate it because they can't grow their own revenues beyond the rate that league revenues are growing.

Agents also fuel union dissent by blaming escrow for the woes of the system. But escrow isn't the problem, it is the fix.
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Old 09-16-2019, 04:09 PM   #212
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^ Right. Escrow became an issue for the players when they had certain years where HRR did not increase 5 % year over year, but the NHLPA exercised the option to increase the cap by 5%.

Guys like Toews complain that they are not getting paid every dollar on their contract but if players are guaranteed a percentage of HRR, they did themselves no favours by choosing escalators that outpaced revenues.
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Way too easy to blame the agents for skyrocketing RFA salaries. I agree with Winter on his point that no one is forcing these teams to allocate their money this way. The NHL has a long history of being unable to manage their business very well, and we have the lockouts to show for it.
The challenge you have is that the league generally had a salary structure in place that divided the wealth between top and bottom players in a certain way, then a couple of reckless GMs with the leverage went and broke the RFA market to pay them like UFAs. And for no real logical reason.

Top players don’t really do any more than they used to, so why significantly change the proportion of cap allocated to their salaries?
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It will be interesting to see his fitness tests results from today
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Craig Oster is Tkachuk's agent (and uncle -- he's Matthew's mom's brother).

I think Meehan is basically in working retirement mode now where he oversees Newport (which he founded in 1981) but doesn't handle many clients anymore (he's 68 years old).


Oster seems to do the heavy lifting for Newport now, with 70 clients. 14 of his clients have cap hits of at least $5 million.
Not disputing you but every story I've ever seen says Meehan is Tkachuk's agent. Oster has never been mentioned in anything I've read. You are right about Oster's portfolio for sure. He's a heavy hitter.
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It will be interesting to see his fitness tests results from today
They don't release fitness results. They only officially release who finishes top three for vets and rookies.
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[QUOTE=Rando;7204247]They don't release fitness results. They only officially release who finishes top three for vets and rookies

I know Rando just thinking out loud
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The challenge you have is that the league generally had a salary structure in place that divided the wealth between top and bottom players in a certain way, then a couple of reckless GMs with the leverage went and broke the RFA market to pay them like UFAs. And for no real logical reason.

Top players don’t really do any more than they used to, so why significantly change the proportion of cap allocated to their salaries?
The biggest change is the allocation of more money to young players in their RFA years. And while Dubas and Chiarelli made some bad decisions, is it more scapegoating to entirely blame them for what other teams are doing. Neither Toronto nor Edmonton are out there offersheeting RFA's driving up salaries.
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The biggest change is the allocation of more money to young players in their RFA years. And while Dubas and Chiarelli made some bad decisions, is it more scapegoating to entirely blame them for what other teams are doing. Neither Toronto nor Edmonton are out there offersheeting RFA's driving up salaries.
No, they are just overpaying and thus providing agents (and arbitrators) with comparables.
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Anecdotal but this is what he told Scott Cruickshank

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To maximize his slender 5-foot-10 frame, Mangiapane spent his second summer working with conditioning guru Andy O’Brien, who’s trained everyone from Sidney Crosby to Nathan MacKinnon, from John Tavares to Hayley Wickenheiser.

“Every year, I feel I’m getting stronger, faster, quicker,” Mangiapane said. “That’s what you want.”
https://theathletic.com/1213366/2019...k-in-the-wind/
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