Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Hackey

All these excuses just look bad. If Oilers fans were making them, we would be absolutely roasting them. At the end of the day, the Oilers top players rose to the occasion and the Flames top players didn't. End of story, move on.

Well good thing we gave the team a heart transplant then. We'll see if these new players are able to rise to the occasion.

Definitely a lack of heart. But I'm not going to pretend that the team put its best effort forward either.

[dino7c]

When I heard Gaudreau talk about the series on spittin' chiclets I almost threw my phone out the window. Knowing what we know now change is good...most of us took the loss harder than he did. Then he signs with one of the worst teams in the league so playoffs don't cut into beach time.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Still, Markstrom had an almost legendarily bad series. It can't be understated. And it's impossible to win with that save percentage.

And I can say it's impossible to win giving up that many odd man rushes. The team playing better defensively would have helped increase his save percentage alone.

Like I said, he needed to be better but them losing was much more than him not playing well. As it's been stated by others the majority of the bad goals he let in happened the first game which they won anyway.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sutter made the right call

Obviously not. But anyway, the point is Edmonton is still no good. The Flames choked. The Oilers just kind of stumbled their way to victory because they faced zero adversity, until they got swept like nothing.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Obviously not. But anyway, the point is Edmonton is still no good. The Flames choked. The Oilers just kind of stumbled their way to victory because they faced zero adversity, until they got swept like nothing.

That's on the Flames for not creating adversity for them to face. There's no single thing to point out for that series loss. Edmonton was better at everything and Calgary folded 90s style. It's crazy the excuses people are making

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Obviously not. But anyway, the point is Edmonton is still no good. The Flames choked. The Oilers just kind of stumbled their way to victory because they faced zero adversity, until they got swept like nothing.

It's not obvious at all actually...could have easily lost the series with Vladar too

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

That's on the Flames for not creating adversity for them to face. There's no single thing to point out for that series loss. Edmonton was better at everything and Calgary folded 90s style. It's crazy the excuses people are making

.850 goaltending isn't really an excuse it's a reason

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by dino7c

.850 goaltending isn't really an excuse it's a reason

A lot goes into that number

[Fire]

I think Vladar is bit overrated by some. He's a good backup but not the guy you replace one of the top goalies in the NHL during a playoff series. He's not a veteran with a lot of NHL experience. Vladar wasn't winning that series for the Flames.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Fire

I think Vladar is bit overrated by some. He's a good backup but not the guy you replace one of the top goalies in the NHL during a playoff series. He's not a veteran with a lot of NHL experience. Vladar wasn't winning that series for the Flames.

I don't think anyone's advocating he take over the net. Give him the game after your starter struggled and is obviously wiped from a previous hard series. If you win you go back to Markstrom. If you lose you go back to Markstrom. There's not really a downside. There's a downside to going back to your starter and them getting shook more though.

Players need rest, and the goalie is the only player who plays the full game. It doesn't make sense to play them through the whole grind of the playoffs unless they are undeniably on fire.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by dino7c

.850 goaltending isn't really an excuse it's a reason

If you go back in the other series we lost to the Oiler's during our history it was a similar story where we got outdone in net.

The one we won in 1986...Vernon outclassed Fuhr 0.896sv% to 0.890sv%.

1983: Calgary loses 1-4 Don Edwards 0.812% / Reggie Lemelin 0.789% & Moog 0.915% / Fuhr 1.000%
1984: Calgary loses 3-4 Lemelin 0.8905% / Don Edwards 0.899% & Fuhr 0.8914% / Moog 0.857%
1986: Calgary wins 4-3
1988: Calgary loses 0-4 Vernon 0.812% / Wamsley 0.750% & Fuhr 0.904%
1991: Calgary loses 3-4 Vernon 0.897% / Wamsley 0.500% (two shots and one goal) & Fuhr 0.910%
2022: Calgary loses 1-4 Markstrom 0.852% / Vladar 1.000% & Smith 0.907% / Koskinen 0.865%

Absolute back breakers for multiple generations now.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Fire

I think Vladar is bit overrated by some. He's a good backup but not the guy you replace one of the top goalies in the NHL during a playoff series. He's not a veteran with a lot of NHL experience. Vladar wasn't winning that series for the Flames.

This logic doesn't check out at all because Markstrom wasn't playing like a top goalie, in fact his performance would've been subpar for a backup too.

Don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Vladar could muster .900, which would've been better than Marky's .850 and a few less goals against (potentially changing the outcome of one or two games).

Plenty of goalies have drawn in and shut down a specific team in relief, even if they wouldn't do as well against a plethora of opponents. We didn't try. We should have. Worst case - same result. With your season on the line, exhaust all options IMO.

It's stubborn thinking to me to think that regular season performance and accolades should give a goalie immunity from being yanked in favour of someone else when he is severely underperforming.

Its clear from the larger body of work that the Oilers are Markstrom's Achilles heel (and arguably a few Canadian teams, idk why).

Sutter's stubbornness exhausted him of a lifeline he could have used and could have helped him but he refused to explore that option to see if it could.

[redmile04]

You would look very stupid if you went with Vladar and he played poorly also, then we would all be saying that you should have stuck with your vezina candidate starter.. hindsight is always 20 20

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by redmile04

You would look very stupid if you went with Vladar and he played poorly also, then we would all be saying that you should have stuck with your vezina candidate starter.. hindsight is always 20 20

The thought for most was to try Vladar in game 4, after your starter got some runway and fumbled his opportunities.

[djsFlames]

It's paid off before for the Flames too-

CuJo vs the Sharks. No one regrets that swap.

And people regard Kipper even more highly than Markstrom.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fire

I think Vladar is bit overrated by some. He's a good backup but not the guy you replace one of the top goalies in the NHL during a playoff series. He's not a veteran with a lot of NHL experience. Vladar wasn't winning that series for the Flames.

Its not even about Vladar. Its about shaking up the team to get them back into the groove.

"Oh man! We're playing our backup goalie! He's not Markstrom so he's not going to make 10-Bell saves! We had better be more defensively conscious!"

Thats it.

Thats all.

Its just like hitting a Reset button.

Instead what we got was a complete panicked fire-drill.

[Red_Baron]

Why the F is there a discussion about the Flames' backup goalie in the E=NG thread?



This thread needs a hard re-set.



E=NG

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's paid off before for the Flames too-

CuJo vs the Sharks. No one regrets that swap.

And people regard Kipper even more highly than Markstrom.

He came in mid game when Kipper got pulled...Kipper started the next game. Also veteran goalie and the Flames lost that series too.

[memphusk]

Oilers are no good.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Oilers are no good.

Because they are associated with Edmonton which, per my understanding, all of it is No Good.