[Signing] Canucks sign petterson 8 years 11.6 aav

[Jason14h]

It a great contract because Van now has their star locked up through his prime years

That is all that really matters. Teams needs to worry about overpaying supports players , not their stars

Whether he got 10.5, 11, 11.5 is really irrelevant in the big picture . All that matters is Vancouver has him through his prime years.

Finding stars is hard . Lock them up even if your overpay a bit. Calgary taught the rest of the league this hard lesson

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

My opinions often aren't popular but are usually correct...I bat about .700 around here
it would also help if people actually read, contract is fair...not great value IMO. They will pay Pete more for the same or less performance.

It’s hard to be humble…

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by dino7c

almost zero but okay, lets see

how the hell does he out perform 11.6M? career highs every season? He is having a GREAT year and 11.6 is pushing it IMO. There are FOUR players in the NHL with a bigger cap hit, I know that will grow but still.

I'm thinking precisely because the cap is set to start rising at a normal rate again, and a bunch of guys will leapfrog Elias in the next 4 seasons.

There are already a bunch of mid tier first line players making $8-9 million. Maybe they start pushing to $10-11 million.

If Elias has 3-4 more seasons like last year and this year, you could say he'll be playing at a $12+ level.


I'm also of the opinion that the best NHL players are all underpaid as well so that may bias my opinion somewhat. When guys like Debrincat and Orlov are pulling $8 million, getting a guy like EP under contract at basically any price provides more value to a team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It a great contract because Van now has their star locked up through his prime years

That is all that really matters. Teams needs to worry about overpaying supports players , not their stars

Whether he got 10.5, 11, 11.5 is really irrelevant in the big picture . All that matters is Vancouver has him through his prime years.

Finding stars is hard . Lock them up even if your overpay a bit. Calgary taught the rest of the league this hard lesson

Calgary was willing to overpay...guys wanted to go to the US

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

On the open market, a 25 year old 100-point centre could fetch a lot more than 11.6, so in that sense it is a 'good' deal for Vancouver.

Also makes the Nylander deal in Toronto look bad, so that helps make this deal looked even better

Pete was an RFA
Nylander was a UFA

They also have nearly identical stats

He is the 5th highest cap hit in the NHL next season, that will be hard to outperform IMO
like I said its fair, what more do you guys want?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calgary was willing to overpay...guys wanted to go to the US

Calgary didn’t lock them up . That’s all that matters . They failed miserably

They had a chance to lock up MT at the bridge (it may have been an overpay at the time) and JG is the offseason before UFA (Might have been an overpay after the season ) BUT they would have both players still

And it would have cost what , 4? million more combined then they wanted at the time . Sure it might be a overpayment , but you keep your stars

4 million is a 3rd line winger or 4/5 D. You can find minimum salary replacement / drafted players for those spots .

You can’t find stars . Flames (and all small market teams) will need to identify the proper young players to “overpay” earlier in their careers to retain them longer

[dino7c]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to argue
All I have said is that this contract isn't a steal or great value...market rate at best IMO and I can't stress this enough IMO

Funny thing about your point though is the Canucks did bridge Pete, only difference is he signed the big money RFA deal while Tkachuk didn't, Tkachuk was even younger
sometimes the player ####s you over

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm not sure what point you are trying to argue
All I have said is that this contract isn't a steal or great value...market rate at best IMO and I can't stress this enough IMO

Funny thing about your point though is the Canucks did bridge Pete, only difference is he signed the big money RFA deal while Tkachuk didn't, Tkachuk was even younger
sometimes the player ####s you over

My point is locking up your best player in their prime years to a market fair deal is a great contract in itself , regardless of the cap hit . $500k-1m either way doesn’t really matter

10.5 or 11.6 it’s still a great deal Vancouver vs the alternative. He also would have gotten much more on the open market (as basically every high end UFA who goes to market does)

You can have a great deal that doesn’t always equal “extreme team friendly contract “

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pete was an RFA
Nylander was a UFA

They also have nearly identical stats

He is the 5th highest cap hit in the NHL next season, that will be hard to outperform IMO
like I said its fair, what more do you guys want?

Look at the years of UFA time in each contract though. It is 8 years of UFA time vs 7.

I would prefer Pettersson over Nylander as he plays a better 200 foot game and a more valuable position in center.

If the cap stays stagnant for the next 8 years it will be difficult for him to outperform his contract. If it increases then the odds are in his favour as more top players have to renew their contracts and ask for pay raises.

[Southern_Canuck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pete was an RFA
Nylander was a UFA

They also have nearly identical stats

He is the 5th highest cap hit in the NHL next season, that will be hard to outperform IMO
like I said its fair, what more do you guys want?

When you say nearly identical, how do you define the word identical?

Nylander:
age 19 GP 22 P 13 PPG 0.59
age 20 GP 81 P 61 PPG 0.75
age 21 GP 82 P 61 PPG 0.74
age 22 GP 54 P 27 PPG 0.50
age 23 GP 68 P 59 PPG 0.87
age 24 GP 51 P 42 PPG 0.82
age 25 GP 81 P 80 PPG 0.99
age 26 GP 82 P 87 PPG 1.06
age 27 (in progress) GP 61 P 83 PPG 1.36
career GP 582 P 513 PPG 0.88

Pettersson:
age 19/20 GP 71 P 66 PPG 0.93
age 20/21 GP 68 P 66 PPG 0.97
age 21/22 GP 26 P 21 PPG 0.81
age 22/23 GP 80 P 68 PPG 0.85
age 23/24 GP 80 P 102 PPG 1.28
age 24/25 (in progress) GP 63 P 75 PPG 1.19
career GP 388 P 398 PPG 1.03

...Nylander not reaching PPG until age 26, and Pettersson at age 25 with 2 years PPG+?

S_C

[dino7c]

lol here come the Canuck fans!

I should have said the last couple years...I don't think the Nylander contract is a bargain either fyi. Both guys will need to keep up their current play to even keep it at fair value

Its a top 5 cap hit next season, if he is a top five player nevermind outperforming you got me. I predict a playoff failure for a 90 pound center and struggling to hit 100 points next season. Come at me

[Enoch Root]

So Pettersson should get paid more because he was more productive when they were 20? How about the last 2 years?

Nylander not reaching PPG until age 26, and Pettersson at age 25

Oh, yes - good point. Quite a difference there.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Oh, yes - good point. Quite a difference there.

Well, I think having two PPG seasons before the age the other player had their first one is a bit of a difference, but hey, my team isn't a tire fire this year so I'm not getting by on copium made out of schadenfreude and selective reading.


That was last year.


And the year before.












and the year before that.

[dino7c]

so are any of you Canuck fanboys willing to guarantee 100 points next season? the bare minimum a 11.6M player should be scoring IMO

[jayswin]

Ugh, Dino7cPuck.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Ugh, Dino7cPuck.

Thankfully not an issue for me!