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Old 03-22-2018, 09:38 AM   #1121
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Wasn't that GG?
Looks like it. For some reason my brain thinks Treliving said it.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:38 AM   #1122
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Tre needs to rebuild the bottom six forwards.

Top 6 is fine
D is fine
Goaltending is adequate but slipping lately

Bottom 6 is a mix of too old and slow combined with too young and/or not ready. Need more speed and scoring from the bottom 6 forwards next year.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:43 AM   #1123
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Top six is not fine...top two RWers are far from fine
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:48 AM   #1124
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Tre needs to rebuild the bottom six forwards.

Top 6 is fine
D is fine
Goaltending is adequate but slipping lately

Bottom 6 is a mix of too old and slow combined with too young and/or not ready. Need more speed and scoring from the bottom 6 forwards next year.

In my opinion top 6 is not fine. Ferland is not a top line winger. He could improve the bottom 6 if he was playing where he should be slotted.

D is fine on paper but Hamilton allows the oppposition unopposed access to the front of the net, at bad times. Someone needs to get things like that sorted.

They need a top 6 (ideally top line) winger and a coaching change for starters.
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My fix is to better slot the forwards bring in a scoring 2nd line center, pushing Backlund and Frolik down to the 3rd and Jankowski down to the 4th.

ROR, Stastny type of guys.

Gaudreau - Monahan - tkatchuk/Bennett
Tkachuk/Bennett - ROR - Ferland
Lazar - Backlund - Frolik
____ - Jankowski - ____

Of course the dream scenario would be Tavares.

Gaudreau - Tavares - tkatchuk
Bennett - Monahan - Ferland
Lazar - Backlund - Frolik
____ - Jankowski - ____

Adding a top line RW doesn't solve the scoring depth issues. Our top line was fine, each having career years, and I think Monahan and Ferland have been playing hurt the last month or so.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:55 AM   #1126
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Restore and gather up draft picks.

LA - Doughty, Quick, Kopitar - drafted.
CHI - Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook - drafted.
PIT - Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Letang -drafted.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:59 AM   #1127
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In my opinion top 6 is not fine. Ferland is not a top line winger. He could improve the bottom 6 if he was playing where he should be slotted.

D is fine on paper but Hamilton allows the oppposition unopposed access to the front of the net, at bad times. Someone needs to get things like that sorted.

They need a top 6 (ideally top line) winger and a coaching change for starters.
I thought of a solution to the highlighted by making Hamilton a RW. I wonder if he has ever played that position.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:10 AM   #1128
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Tre needs to rebuild the bottom six forwards.

Top 6 is fine
D is fine
Goaltending is adequate but slipping lately

Bottom 6 is a mix of too old and slow combined with too young and/or not ready. Need more speed and scoring from the bottom 6 forwards next year.
Top 6 would probably be fine if they had Bennett playing wing the last 3 seasons.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:11 AM   #1129
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Restore and gather up draft picks.

LA - Doughty, Quick, Kopitar - drafted.
CHI - Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook - drafted.
PIT - Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Letang -drafted.
ya that always works out... "cough, cough" Edmonton.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:12 AM   #1130
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Context matters

I was responding to a post about other teams misery not excusing the Flames.

I think we can add Dallas to that group...WTF is wrong with that team? Pretty much everyone picked them as most improved.
Maybe on paper, but they are still a one line team and Bishop has not been any better then Smith. Also, clearly Winnipeg and Nashville really stand out as the dominant western teams this year. One of those two will be the Western champion. Its looked that way since the 1st month of the season.

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ya that always works out... "cough, cough" Edmonton.
It doesn't always work out, but it's also the only way to win it would seem.

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Old 03-22-2018, 10:27 AM   #1132
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In my opinion top 6 is not fine. Ferland is not a top line winger. He could improve the bottom 6 if he was playing where he should be slotted.

D is fine on paper but Hamilton allows the oppposition unopposed access to the front of the net, at bad times. Someone needs to get things like that sorted.

They need a top 6 (ideally top line) winger and a coaching change for starters.
The team could use improvement just about everywhere, but the biggest weakness and area that could use the most improvement is easily the bottom six forwards.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:34 AM   #1134
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ya that always works out... "cough, cough"
Edmonton.
Of course it doesn't always work out. It's a recipe for success, but not everyone can follow a recipe for the same results. Still, with McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Klefbom, Nurse, and probably Rasmus Dahlin, I doubt it'll be long before we're envious of them. There's a clear ceiling on our team and while Treliving hasn't gotten near that ceiling, it's still there.
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The team could use improvement just about everywhere, but the biggest weakness and area that could use the most improvement is easily the bottom six forwards.
It's also the easiest to fix.
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It's also the easiest to fix.
It might be the simplest to address but by no means is it going to be easy. Teams like the Flames, Oilers, Stars, Blackhawks, Flyers, and Kings all struggled with it this year. There's definitely some GMs who seem to have a knack for finding depth guys who produce.

And there's also the fact that sometimes it's as simple and unreliable as a draft pick surprising/producing and rounding out the top 9 (ie Bennett actually taking major steps in production).
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:05 AM   #1137
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Bottom 6 can be cheap and easy. For example, its entirely possible we see a 4L of Mangiapane-Dube-Ferland or something along those lines.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:30 AM   #1138
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Wasn't that GG?
Gg said about 100-points club.

Treliving said, right after Ducks sweep, that

"The encouraging thing for me, and I think for anybody who follows us, is that this team is close.

"Close to being a really, really competitive team on a regular basis."

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/trel...18/c-288977518
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It might be the simplest to address but by no means is it going to be easy. Teams like the Flames, Oilers, Stars, Blackhawks, Flyers, and Kings all struggled with it this year. There's definitely some GMs who seem to have a knack for finding depth guys who produce.

And there's also the fact that sometimes it's as simple and unreliable as a draft pick surprising/producing and rounding out the top 9 (ie Bennett actually taking major steps in production).
It's mostly about drafting. The Blackhawks and Kings traded away a lot of picks to put together contenders, and now they're paying the price. Flames, Oilers, Stars, and Flyers don't have great drafting.
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reading back what Treliving said in the postseason interview a year ago, he clearly thought the the best teams are build around center. He then goes out and stockpiles the D.

The particularly concerning is the quote below, where he said, that he expects young guys in the middle of the ice to grow into key roles. He clearly expected Bennett to blossom into a top-six center this season. The problem is that Bennett is not even a center, but rather an LW. This is just like Feaster signed Cervenka to play center, except that Feaster did not spend 4th overall for it. Treliving was trusted with the highest pick in the Flames history and he couldn't even project, what position his pick will play in the NHL.



"I'll never be convinced that the middle of the ice isn't where the championship teams are built. We're getting there by putting it on the backs of young guys in key roles."

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