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Old 05-27-2022, 06:50 AM   #1041
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You’d think players like Toffoli would have been able to take advantage of a bad Oilers D.
How do take advantage of something when you are 2 steps behind?
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Old 05-27-2022, 06:53 AM   #1042
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Such a bad comparison
toffoli didn’t product but is a good two way player and has a good attitude
Comparing him to Neal is a clueless take
Both bad skater with supposedly a good shot

You are right on the attitude

Defense is limited when you are behind the flow most of the time

Not exactly the same but not a bad comparison
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:16 AM   #1043
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I'm interested to hear if he was injured, he just looked 'off' the last few weeks
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:19 AM   #1044
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I'm interested to hear if he was injured, he just looked 'off' the last few weeks
I doubt his issues were injury related. He had a good stretch of play immediately after joining the team and went cold for the rest of the season. It's not like he was doing anything in the last month of the regular season as he went weeks between goals.
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:26 AM   #1045
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Shoutout to those who screamed it was the best move ever because he’s a skilled scorer, when I was saying to temper expectations as he’s not the same player. When the CP ball gets rolling can’t argue something different but this playoffs showed he wasn’t the same player he was a few seasons back.
No one you quoted said it was the best move ever
In fact they were all fair counterpoints to your post
But let’s all make sure we spend time going through old thread and pointing out who was right and who was wrong
Because that’s a great contribution. High five!
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:27 AM   #1046
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Shoutout to those who screamed it was the best move ever because he’s a skilled scorer, when I was saying to temper expectations as he’s not the same player. When the CP ball gets rolling can’t argue something different but this playoffs showed he wasn’t the same player he was a few seasons back.
I see no errors in my post that you quoted. Do you?
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:37 AM   #1047
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I always feel you need to watch a game live to truly gauge the skating ability and I have to say I am really surprised how poor his skating is. I guess I didn't see him live enough over the years to know if he's always been this poor of a skater but he certainly seemed more dynamic with the Canucks and Habs last season.
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:16 AM   #1048
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I always feel you need to watch a game live to truly gauge the skating ability and I have to say I am really surprised how poor his skating is. I guess I didn't see him live enough over the years to know if he's always been this poor of a skater but he certainly seemed more dynamic with the Canucks and Habs last season.
With the Habs his deal was to find quiet places and get the puck off his stick in a hurry (not unlike Monahan in his prime). He was often the trailer on a play, floating into the high slot for a good shot. I never understood why he was deployed as the low man on the power play.

He may also have been out of shape with no time to get into altitude shape.
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:22 AM   #1049
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With the Habs his deal was to find quiet places and get the puck off his stick in a hurry (not unlike Monahan in his prime). He was often the trailer on a play, floating into the high slot for a good shot. I never understood why he was deployed as the low man on the power play.

He may also have been out of shape with no time to get into altitude shape.
They acquired him ahead of the deadline. I would hope that in a few months he could improve his conditioning. Maybe he lost a step which happens when players reach their late 20's, 30's. I'm just a little uncomfortable with how slow the forward group has become.
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:28 AM   #1050
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No one you quoted said it was the best move ever
In fact they were all fair counterpoints to your post
But let’s all make sure we spend time going through old thread and pointing out who was right and who was wrong
Because that’s a great contribution. High five!
I think many were dismissing it as a great move and anything to temper expectations on his skill, we’re dismissed. All I’m saying is points of views shouldn’t be dismissed.

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I see no errors in my post that you quoted. Do you?
No, you stated a fact and that was fine. My bad.
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:42 AM   #1051
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They acquired him ahead of the deadline. I would hope that in a few months he could improve his conditioning. Maybe he lost a step which happens when players reach their late 20's, 30's. I'm just a little uncomfortable with how slow the forward group has become.
It's pretty hard to improve conditioning in the condensed schedule they had post covid break.

I don't think the forwards have become slower - they were slower before. But they aren't a really fast group either. The only real speedster is Dube. Coleman and Jarnkrok have good but not blinding speed. Gaudreau, Backlund, Mangiapane and Lindholm are slightly slower but still NHL calibre. Lewis is OK.
Toffoli, Monahan, Tkachuk and Lucic are slow.

The problem is more that the best speed is not among scoring forwards.
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The problem is more that the best speed is not among scoring forwards.
I think this was exposed in this series and the playoffs in general. Whatever happens with Gaudreau and Tkachuk I would hope that any replacement players that may be added would add a dimension of speed.
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I think this was exposed in this series and the playoffs in general. Whatever happens with Gaudreau and Tkachuk I would hope that any replacement players that may be added would add a dimension of speed.
100%. All four lines have to keep teams on their toes. If you have one or two guys who have a specialty role it’s probably fine but the days of slow grinding teams is over. At least in this cycle.
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Old 05-27-2022, 10:10 AM   #1054
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I think this was exposed in this series and the playoffs in general. Whatever happens with Gaudreau and Tkachuk I would hope that any replacement players that may be added would add a dimension of speed.
And that any kept players work on it. Draisaitl and Point were slow players when drafted. They are not now. Tkachuk could work up to average and even Johnny and Mangiapane could use an extra gear.
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Old 05-27-2022, 10:12 AM   #1055
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And that any kept players work on it. Draisaitl and Point were slow players when drafted. They are not now. Tkachuk could work up to average and even Johnny and Mangiapane could use an extra gear.
Lol Drai was never Tkachuk level slow. Not sure about Point also

It’s been 5 yrs, his skating doesn’t magically change
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Honestly, I was never thrilled about the Toffoli deal in the first place. For how tight to the cap this was going to be, adding his salary without retention never made sense to me. Throw in his underwhelming finish to an already slow and soft style and I don’t think there’s a fit for him on this roster.

His high end finishing prowess all but disappeared with his 2 goals in his final 22 games. Really disappointed with his game in the playoffs given his pedigree, 1 even strength point just isn’t going to cut it. His asset cost is what it is, freeing up the cap space is more important at this point.
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Best case this pick will be 25th worst case 23rd I believe.

This trade didn’t really work out that great and Toffoli looked more like a 40pt than 60pt forward after his hot start. 2 more years at a good cap hit but definitely not loving this trade the day after elimination
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This was a good trade. Something happened late season and he changed as a player. Fatigue? Fit? Family problems?

This was a good trade, it just sucks he forgot how to score goals at the worst time. Flames were all in (rightfully so)
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If Gaudreau doesn't sign next year, does he move to left wing on the first line if we have no other options?
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If Gaudreau doesn't sign next year, does he move to left wing on the first line if we have no other options?
Wouldn’t Tkachuk slide back to the left side?
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