2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Garrioch "rumors":

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/02/04/...st-soon-enough

belief is Sharks, Kings, and Ducks are top 3 contenders for Shane Doan
Sharks have been desperately trying to get Doan for the last 4 deadlines

Coyotes are trying to sell Hanzal, Vrbata, White and Stone
Sources say Chayka isn't being realisitic with his asking prices

Sakic is asking for a high price (up to 5 elements) for Duchene because the Avs are in no hurry to make the trade
Will probably end up settling for a young defenceman, 1st round pick, and high end- prospect

Blues gave a team in the Eastern Conference permission to talk to Shattenkirk a few weeks ago but the deal fell through
At this point it makes sense for Shattenkirk to wait until July 1st as he will be the top defenceman available in free agency

Yzerman has a lot of irons in the fire.
best way for Yzerman to get a defenceman is to trade Bishop but belief is Tampa will need to take back a goalie for that to happen
Yzerman kicked tires on Duchene

I honestly think the flames should be gunning for Stone. Would be a great partner for brodie and would push wideman down the lineup (or out of the lineup preferably). Has ties to Calgary and could be willing to re sign on a decent contract

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Wow. Corrado, the second coming of Bobby Orr cleared? But he was being so mistreated due to his enormous untapped potential and talent. How did 29 teams pass on this?.

You can disagree, but you're misrepresenting the argument. People were saying it was weird to put a prospect in a position where he literally can't do anything (prove himself at the NHL level, work on his game at the AHL level), they just decided he was right in the middle and doesn't get to play hockey.

In short the argument was that the damage was already done by missing almost a calendar year of playing hockey, not that he is currently being mistreated and mis-valued.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

I honestly think the flames should be gunning for Stone. Would be a great partner for brodie and would push wideman down the lineup (or out of the lineup preferably). Has ties to Calgary and could be willing to re sign on a decent contract

We'd have to expose him to the expansion draft - so if Stone is a player worth getting, the best way to go about it would be in free agency this summer.

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We'd have to expose him to the expansion draft - so if Stone is a player worth getting, the best way to go about it would be in free agency this summer.

He is an expiring contract at the end of the year, re sign him after the draft

[activeStick]

Just woke up from a dream where I was checking the score of today's game and the Flames were absolutely destroying the Rangers like 7-0 in the first and while looking through the scorers, saw Hudler with a few helpers on Monahan goals haha.

[sureLoss]

Seeing more and more speculation that the Blackhawks will bring Sharp back at the deadline.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We'd have to expose him to the expansion draft - so if Stone is a player worth getting, the best way to go about it would be in free agency this summer.

Meh. I see this "have to expose 4th d-man " a lot. If Stone or any other legit #4 falls into the flames lap , i have no problem with them exposing a Ferland or Brouwer and keeping 4 d-men. Getting a solid partner for Brodie should be the flames #1 priority. I don't see anything on the farm being able to play top 4 for extended time in the next 2 seasons.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

He is an expiring contract at the end of the year, re sign him after the draft

So you want to give up assets to have him for a couple months and then try to get him again after?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Meh. I see this "have to expose 4th d-man " a lot. If Stone or any other legit #4 falls into the flames lap , i have no problem with them exposing a Ferland or Brouwer and keeping 4 d-men. Getting a solid partner for Brodie should be the flames #1 priority. I don't see anything on the farm being able to play top 4 for extended time in the next 2 seasons.

Ummm... what?

Protecting four defensemen would be incredibly dumb.

1. Monahan
2. Gaudreau
3. Bennett
4. Backlund
5. Giordano
6. Hamilton
7. Stone
8. Brodie
9. Elliott

...and now you've lost Michael Frolik for nothing.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

He is an expiring contract at the end of the year, re sign him after the draft

be careful with that, teams have already been warned that the NHL will be looking at post expansion draft signings:

http://www.tsn.ca/concerns-about-nhl...merge-1.609388

"George has the same concerns about existing teams doing those types of deals with players they don't have to protect," deputy commissioner Bill Daly said Tuesday after the GMs meeting.

McPhee wisely worries that a team or two might do a "drawer deal'' with a pending UFA but not officially sign it until after the expansion draft. Why? Teams don't have to protect pending free agents because they aren't eligible for the expansion draft. Here's an example: If the San Jose Sharks didn't officially re-sign Joe Thornton until after the expansion draft, they could protect another player.

"There has to be a high level of diligence to make sure those things don't happen and to make sure people know there will be significant penalties imposed if they were to screw around with the rules,'' Daly said.

Daly said violators of the expansion rules forgo a first-round draft pick, so penalties in the same vein would be "appropriate." New Jersey Devils GM Ray Shero insisted anyone would be crazy to attempt that type of circumvention.

How they plan on proving that a team was circumventing the expansion draft and that there just wasn't some kind of "break" in the negotiations isn't clear and maybe damn well impossible to prove, but the league is looking out for those type of deals.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

be careful with that, teams have already been warned that the NHL will be looking at post expansion draft signings:

http://www.tsn.ca/concerns-about-nhl...merge-1.609388



How they plan on proving that a team was circumventing the expansion draft and that there just wasn't some kind of "break" in the negotiations isn't clear and maybe damn well impossible to prove, but the league is looking out for those type of deals.

I really don't see anything wrong with a player having a "handshake agreement" to re-sign with their team. I mean if Vegas were to select that player who is going to be a UFA they have to figure that player, especially a vet like Thornton is not going to sign. I already think it is wrong that an expansion team gets to vulture other teams players anyhow though.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

be careful with that, teams have already been warned that the NHL will be looking at post expansion draft signings:

http://www.tsn.ca/concerns-about-nhl...merge-1.609388



How they plan on proving that a team was circumventing the expansion draft and that there just wasn't some kind of "break" in the negotiations isn't clear and maybe damn well impossible to prove, but the league is looking out for those type of deals.

Hot air. The only way they can prove it is if the player, team or agent admit to it. Granted, a disgruntled/stupid employee of agent/team could blab, but outside of an actual admission/leak, it's an idle threat.

[spetch]

Originally Posted by Fire

The rumours are Sharks, Kings and Ducks because Doan wouldn't want to be traded far from Phoenix because of his family.

Well considering it came directly from Shane's mouth I would say Montreal isn't a problem. Carey and him are cousins so that is a factor as well.

[GullFoss]

I could see us dealing Bouma and Elliott for MAF at the deadline.

1) We need a goalie
2) Hathaway brings what Bouma does, so we don't really need him
3) Trading MAF for Bouma reduces the effective cost for MAF next year
4) Neither Bouma or MAF are going to be protected in expansion draft

[442scotty]

The flames aren't good enough that any one player would make a difference... And 99% of trades at the deadline don't help the teams anyway... Waste of time unless to get a young player that is up and coming.

[Machiavelli]

A top goalie could make a huge difference

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

The flames aren't good enough that any one player would make a difference... And 99% of trades at the deadline don't help the teams anyway... Waste of time unless to get a young player that is up and coming.

If we can pull off a dubnyk type deal that could be the difference. Believe Fleury and bishop would be pricey, I'm thinking to roll the dice on Halak. Nyi happy to lose this contract for next year. We have no one committed for next year and maybe we can send back Bouma or a similar type contract.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Ummm... what?

Protecting four defensemen would be incredibly dumb.

1. Monahan
2. Gaudreau
3. Bennett
4. Backlund
5. Giordano
6. Hamilton
7. Stone
8. Brodie
9. Elliott

...and now you've lost Michael Frolik for nothing.

Elliot is UFA.

Not dumb at all. Probably the opposite given the options available for G this off season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Elliot is UFA.

Not dumb at all. Probably the opposite given the options available for G this off season.

Not protecting Elliott doesn't give you the ability to protect an additional player at another position.

You're allowed to do 1 of the following 2:

Protect 8 players + 1 goalie

or

Protect 7 forwards + 3 defencemen + 1 goalie

[Mister Yamoto]

If the Flames want to add a player before the expansion draft it should be a forward or even two. They could protect 7 and currently have only 5 or 6 worthy of protection.

They are well positioned to benefit from the expansion draft.