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Old 07-29-2022, 04:42 PM   #681
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A neat look into how the locals feel after their 2 month, government imposed lockdown in Shanghai.

Lots of complaints and reactions similar to us in the west, including poor planning by governments before imposing the lockdowns leading to many communities stepping up to provide for the elderly, how the isolation led to mental health issues and break ups among couples. But also a lot of key differences that I think stem from how different Chinese and other eastern cultures inherently are compared to the west.

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Old 08-08-2022, 12:26 PM   #682
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People were told for a long time vaccination stopped transmission.
Because it did, initially, with staggering effectiveness. It gradually stopped being as effective at stopping transmission as new variants emerged.
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Because it did, initially, with staggering effectiveness. It gradually stopped being as effective at stopping transmission as new variants emerged.
Effectiveness against transmission also naturally becomes less effective over time.
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:59 PM   #684
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I wonder if the science has also changed in Canada.

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Other than slight differences in guidance between vaccinated and unvaccinated, those rules have all been in place in BC for almost a year.
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Other than slight differences in guidance between vaccinated and unvaccinated, those rules have all been in place in BC for almost a year.
I haven't really been keeping up, but I think non-vaxxed still can't travel?
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I haven't really been keeping up, but I think non-vaxxed still can't travel?
The unvaccinated have been able to travel domestically within Canada since about June. They still aren't allowed to enter the US though.
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The unvaccinated have been able to travel domestically within Canada since about June. They still aren't allowed to enter the US though.
But to note (only because I found this out last week) if you are a US citizen but live in Canada you dont have to show proof of vaccination to travel to the United States.
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The unvaccinated have been able to travel domestically within Canada since about June. They still aren't allowed to enter the US though.
Also at land crossings they don't check your vaccination status.
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Also at land crossings they don't check your vaccination status.
Is that by law or by practice?
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Also at land crossings they don't check your vaccination status.
They always ask though. (Or at least in my 5-6 crossings they have.)
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They always ask though. (Or at least in my 5-6 crossings they have.)
The last two times I crossed, they didn't even ask.

Also, I believe the alternate is true where a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. would be allowed entry into Canada even if unvaccinated. Both countries have the same law where any citizen can always return to their home country. In Canada there might be a quarantine ask, I'm not sure.
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The last two times I crossed, they didn't even ask.

Also, I believe the alternate is true where a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. would be allowed entry into Canada even if unvaccinated. Both countries have the same law where any citizen can always return to their home country. In Canada there might be a quarantine ask, I'm not sure.

I crossed into the US about 3 weeks ago at a land crossing and they asked if we were vaccinated but didn't look at the proof. Coming back into Canada last week we were told using ArriveCan was mandatory, which includes uploading your vaccine proof. They didn't ask to see the app barcode but did scan our passports, not sure if that gets linked to your ArriveCan submission. But if you're a citizen they can't prevent you from entering, I think there is still a 2 week quarantine in Canada if you aren't vaccinated though.
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The unvaccinated have been able to travel domestically within Canada since about June. They still aren't allowed to enter the US though.
Thanks! I tend to skip over the stuff for non-vax folks...

IMO no Canadians can complain about requirements other countries have to enter those countries. If you don't like it don't go.

I do think the quarantine for non vax to enter Canada (especially after their mandatory pre-arrival and post-arrival tests come back negative) is a lot more like a punishment than a public health protection. But (like many Canadians) I don't care that much since it doesn't affect me...
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Also at land crossings they don't check your vaccination status.
Not sure this is true. I know some people who are getting turned back from going into the US if they're not vaccinated. Seems like its 50 / 50.
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