01-27-2016, 11:51 AM
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I guess just goes to show you that "deleting files" or "factory reset" != the data is still there.
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01-27-2016, 11:58 AM
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I'm not sure why this is so hard for manufacturers. Have a factory reset that securely wipes all user data space. Make the user input their google or Apple password to access it. Bam. done.
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01-27-2016, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
I'm not sure why this is so hard for manufacturers. Have a factory reset that securely wipes all user data space. Make the user input their google or Apple password to access it. Bam. done.
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Only if it was this simple to completely wipe bits of the storage device.
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01-27-2016, 12:25 PM
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What's the issue? It's flash memory. There are fairly standard ways of wiping these. OK, nothing is 100%, but for those people crushing the phone is the only option. For the average person secure wiping user data shouldn't be that hard.
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01-27-2016, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
What's the issue? It's flash memory. There are fairly standard ways of wiping these. OK, nothing is 100%, but for those people crushing the phone is the only option. For the average person secure wiping user data shouldn't be that hard.
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I agree, that's why at least on iOS, they have the "Erase All Content and Settings" which does exactly that.
I've never owned an Android so I don't know if they have something equivalent to it.
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01-27-2016, 01:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
What's the issue? It's flash memory. There are fairly standard ways of wiping these. OK, nothing is 100%, but for those people crushing the phone is the only option. For the average person secure wiping user data shouldn't be that hard.
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How does the average person securely wipe data?
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01-27-2016, 01:56 PM
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Well that's what I'm saying, it should be made easy. You go to do a reset, and the OS runs a secure wipe. The average user shouldn't have to know or care HOW it's done, just that when you select that, it happens. As for the technical aspects, it's not that hard, there are loads of programs that do it. Build that into the OS.
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01-27-2016, 02:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzz
Well that's what I'm saying, it should be made easy. You go to do a reset, and the OS runs a secure wipe. The average user shouldn't have to know or care HOW it's done, just that when you select that, it happens. As for the technical aspects, it's not that hard, there are loads of programs that do it. Build that into the OS.
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I don't honestly know the details on why they don't (I guess varies partitions of data have to have some sort of EOF or something flag?) but besides the potential difficulties, why would they do that? Their whole business is getting their customers to buy a new phone every 2 years and sell as many phones as possible, not to make it easy for you to buy or sell 2nd hand, taking away from their profits.
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01-27-2016, 02:39 PM
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It's in their interests, to though. If you make it easy, people are more likely to churn through phones. Apple has buyback programs becuase they know they can sell shiny new products. It's not like it is a big technological challenge here, and I'm sure in a few years it will be a standard feature.
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01-27-2016, 05:11 PM
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A low level wipe takes a lot longer than a simple re-format. In the cases where something more than a simple re-format is needed, that's when I typically do something a little more sophisticated.
In the example that brought up this line of discussion, I am pretty sure in Android 4.X there are two different wipe settings within the menu, one preserves application data. That can be useful if you are just trying to get rid of malware and not trying to remove all data. It sounds like the person selling in that case just picked the wrong option.
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01-31-2016, 02:09 PM
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Factory reset may or may not wipe all your Android usr data. They suggest this:
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√"If you plan to resell or discard your device and you haven't already, encrypt it and then perform a factory reset," Android security lead engineer Adrian Ludwig said.
- Encrypt the data on your smartphone prior to putting it up for sale or disposing it. To do this, head to Settings > Security > Encrypt Phone.
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http://www.techtimes.com/articles/55...e-solution.htm
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